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   From: mr@sandman.net   
      
   In article , Bill O'Meally wrote:   
      
   > > wondering whether Sandman had a specific citation for his   
   > > assertion that it was never again used by Men or whether that was   
   > > his extrapolation from the text.  I did not find any text that   
   > > specifically states that the "Elves pilgrimaged to the Tower Hill   
   > > to gace into it over the sea to the Undying Lands."   
   >   
   > Oh. I was under the impression that Sandman was referring to the   
   > Stone passing into the West as the reason no Man ever looked at it   
   > again.   
      
   Indeed.   
      
   > > Morgoth's Curse:   
   > > knowledge, there is no evidence either that the Elves ever used it   
   > > or that Men never used it again before Cirdan sent it to Aman on   
   > > Elrond's ship.   
   >   
   > Yup. The footnote from RotK that I referenced merely states that the   
   > Elves guarded it. No mention of them using it, much less making   
   > pilgrimages to peer into it.   
      
   Tolkien said as much himself, in The Road Goes Ever on. But it's worth   
   noting that the Palantir, their uses, their powers and their story has   
   changed quite a bit over time.   
      
      
      
      
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