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   Michael Cole to John F   
   Re: Why must the ring stay in Middle Ear   
   03 Jun 15 09:41:51   
   
   XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: invalid@invalid.com   
      
   John F wrote :   
      
   > But that then begs the question - if Sauron was so powerful at the end of the   
   > Second Age, how then could he have been overcome and defeated by the mere   
   > assemblage of elves and men? I don't think the elves or men had any other   
   > skill than they had in the first age - matter of fact Aragorn was 3000 years   
   > away, and no one like Tuor lived in the second age (except the kings of   
   > Numenor, but none of them did anything like that in the second age)   
      
   What's Aragorn got to do with anything?  You had Elendil, Isildur and   
   Anarion.  You may be overestimating the impressiveness of Aragorn   
   compared to Elendil.   
      
   In terms of how he was defeated, you had the last alliance of Elves and   
   Men, led by Gil Galad and Elendil, and they had to lay seige to Barad   
   Dur for eight years, with who knows how many deaths before Sauron came   
   out to play.  He then slew both of the leaders before being dropped   
   himself.   
      
   What would you have been expecting?  D&D-style magic?  Fireballs at 60   
   paces?   
      
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   Michael Cole   
      
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