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   From: le@main.put.com   
      
   In alt.fan.tolkien Paul S. Person  wrote:   
   > On Sun, 20 Dec 2015 04:46:08 +0000 (UTC), Louis Epstein   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >>In rec.arts.books.tolkien Paul S. Person    
   wrote:   
   >>> On 25 Oct 2015 12:30:00 GMT, Michael Ikeda  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>Paul S. Person  wrote in   
   >>>>news:a4gn2bh5f1vj5ugq6rtlg0vmuj2d28g5lf@4ax.com:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:45:40 -0400, "tony"    
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>"Paul S. Person"  wrote in message news:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>It occurred to me last night that, since the legendarium is set   
   >>>>>>in NW Europe/Britain, the Ice Age glaciers may have had some   
   >>>>>>effect on both the landscape and the various monuments created   
   >>>>>>by the Men of the Third and Fourth Ages.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Tony replied:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>I agree.  Although an Orc, Troll or Ent might find it impossible   
   >>>>>>to destroy Minas Tirith, Orthanc or Helm's Deep, glaciers could   
   >>>>>>possess the weight and force necessary to undermine the   
   >>>>>>foundations of these structures and erase evidence for their   
   >>>>>>existence from the historical record.  However, I wonder how the   
   >>>>>>"Red Book of Westmarch" could have survived through the Ice Age   
   >>>>>>until the present when no other artifacts of that type managed   
   >>>>>>to do so.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Excellent question.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Sadly, I can't think of an answer.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Gondor was one of the many places visited by the Doctor in the   
   >>>>course of his travels.  On one of his visits he made a copy of the   
   >>>>Red Book.,,   
   >>>>   
   >>>>:-)   
   >>>   
   >>> Or (thought of this last night, long after my first response) a copy   
   >>> of the Red Book of Westmarch somehow made its way to Tol Eressea, and   
   >>> a copy of that was brought back by Eriol and added to the library of   
   >>> the monastery which cared for him after his return.   
   >>   
   >>Or Smith of Wootton Major picked one up in Faerie?   
   >   
   > I am /finally/ reading /LOTR/ again and, wow, does it leave the films   
   > in the dust!   
   >   
   > The Preface also suggests at least two versions of the Red Book were   
   > known to JRRT. And that many more existed.   
      
   My reading is that he had a later one that referred to earlier ones.   
      
   > Perhaps they were /all/ treated as mathoms and buried in iron chests   
   > (a la /I, Claudius/ and /Claudius the God/).   
      
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