From: psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid   
      
   On 25 Jul 2019 19:16:28 GMT, Sandman  wrote:   
      
   >In article , Michael F. Stemper wrote:   
   >   
   >> > > > Michael F. Stemper:   
   >> > > > We know that Sauron made orcs by somehow   
   >> > > > twisting and perverting some elves. After that, were they   
   >> > > > self-propagating? I.e., were there female orcs -- down in Nurn   
   >> > > > maybe, or out in Rhûn?   
   >> > >   
   >> > > > I'll admit that JRRT doesn't explicitly state the genders of   
   >> > > > the orcs that we see up close and personal in tLotR, but   
   >> > > > Gorbag and Snaga always struck me as male.   
   >> > >   
   >> > > Bill O'Meally:   
   >> > > IDHTBIFOM, but I recall in one of the _Letters_ that Tolkien   
   >> > > states that orcs breed sexually just like any Man, Elf, Dwarf,   
   >> > > etc.   
   >> >   
   >> > Sandman:   
   >> > Silmarillion chapter 3:   
   >>   
   >> > "For the Orcs had life and multiplied after the manner of the   
   >> > Children of Iluvatar"   
   >>   
   >> Thanks for that. With the chapter, I was able to find it. I also   
   >> discovered that what I claimed "we know" is wrong. It wasn't Sauron,   
   >> it was the Emperor^W Melkor.   
   >   
   >Well, the source of the Orcs is pretty debated, and it's unsure what Tolkien's   
   >last thought was, and the Silmarillion can't be taken at face value when it   
   comes   
   >to that, since Tolkien himself also said that "evil" can not create life.   
      
   But it /can/ corrupt and twist it.   
      
   Just another part of the old debate, nothing new.   
      
   >And some texts do mention that Sauron was involved, so...   
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