XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien, rec.arts.sf.written
From: le@top.put.com
In rec.arts.books.tolkien Michael F. Stemper wrote:
> On 26/09/2022 23.08, Louis Epstein wrote:
>> In alt.fan.tolkien Michael F. Stemper wrote:
>>> Due to the fact that Sm?agol and D?agol lived on the banks of the
>>> Anduin, it is likely that they were Stoors.
>>
>> Or proto-Stoors..."akin to the fathers of the fathers of the
>> Stoors",as Gandalf put it.
>>
>>> Were Bilbo and Frodo Harfoots? I thought that this was the case,
>>> but reading "Concerning Hobbits" several times doesn't give me
>>> any indication of this. Can anybody point me at some textev in
>>> tLotR for Stoor/Harfoot/Fallohide?
>>
>> My impression is that Tolkien represented the division into
>> Stoor/Harfoot/Fallohide as something from centuries before the
>> War of the Ring that had been progressively disappearing through
>> intermixture since before the Shire was settled.
>
> This initially sounded good, but now I'm doubtful. D?agol found
> the Ring in SR 863, right? Shire Reckoning dates from the settling
> of the Shire, so the division into Stoor/Harfoot/Fallohide had been
> progressively disappearing for a millennium or so ('before the
> Shire was settled'), yet we have a couple of proto-Stoors? I don't
> see how both of those can be right.
Perusing the Tale of Years,I see that in 1356 TA some Stoors
returned to Wilderland,while in 1630 TA others moved from
Dunland to the nascent Shire where other Periannath had
already settled.
The Shire was a place of intermingling while the Wilderland
Stoors had diverged rather than enter that melting pot.
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