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   From: michael.stemper@gmail.com   
      
   On 02/10/2022 13.49, Louis Epstein wrote:   
   > In rec.arts.books.tolkien Michael F. Stemper    
   wrote:   
   >> On 26/09/2022 23.08, Louis Epstein wrote:   
   >>> In alt.fan.tolkien Michael F. Stemper  wrote:   
      
   >>>> Were Bilbo and Frodo Harfoots? I thought that this was the case,   
   >>>> but reading "Concerning Hobbits" several times doesn't give me   
   >>>> any indication of this. Can anybody point me at some textev in   
   >>>> tLotR for Stoor/Harfoot/Fallohide?   
   >>>   
   >>> My impression is that Tolkien represented the division into   
   >>> Stoor/Harfoot/Fallohide as something from centuries before the   
   >>> War of the Ring that had been progressively disappearing through   
   >>> intermixture since before the Shire was settled.   
   >>   
   >> This initially sounded good, but now I'm  doubtful. D?agol found   
   >> the Ring in SR 863, right? Shire Reckoning dates from the settling   
   >> of the Shire, so the division into Stoor/Harfoot/Fallohide had been   
   >> progressively  disappearing for a millennium or so ('before the   
   >> Shire was settled'), yet we have a couple of proto-Stoors? I don't   
   >> see how both of those can be right.   
   >   
   > Perusing the Tale of Years,I see that in 1356 TA some Stoors   
   > returned to Wilderland,while in 1630 TA others moved from   
   > Dunland to the nascent Shire where other Periannath had   
   > already settled.   
   > The Shire was a place of intermingling while the Wilderland   
   > Stoors had diverged rather than enter that melting pot.   
      
   That works for me. Thanks.   
      
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