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   Louis Epstein to Paul S Person   
   Re: Possible self-mockery in LotR?   
   21 Nov 24 14:32:05   
   
   XPost: rec.arts.sf.written, rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: le@main.lekno.ws   
      
   In rec.arts.books.tolkien Paul S Person  wrote:   
   > On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 07:54:38 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >>In LotR, Book V, Chapter 8, Aragorn says (in part) the following to   
   >>Meriadoc:   
   >>   
   >>   [...] If your pack has not been found, then you must send for   
   >>   the herb-master of this House. And he will tell you that he   
   >>   did not know that the herb you desire had any virtues, but   
   >>   that it is called _westmansweed_ by the vulgar, and _galenas_   
   >>   by the noble, and other names in other tongues more learned,   
   >>   and after adding a few half-forgotten rhymes that he does not   
   >>   understand, he will regretfully inform you that there is none   
   >>   in the House, and he will leave you to reflect on the history   
   >>   of tongues. [...]   
   >>   
   >>Whew! That's quite a sentence.   
   >>   
   >>Is it possible that JRRT was indulging in a bit of self-mockery here,   
   >>given his main area of study, as well as one of his reasons for writing   
   >>LotR in the first place, was "the history of tongues"?   
   >   
   > He would certainly have been familiar with the type.   
   >   
   > But the stated reason for /LOTR/ is to follow up on the success of   
   > /The Hobbit/. At his publisher's urging, IIRC.   
   >   
   > And the purpose of the entire legendarium (of which the novels were   
   > offshoots) was to provide England with a mythology. This was, of   
   > course, when he was a young man and just starting out with /The Book   
   > of Lost Tales/.   
      
   It has also been said that he came up with the languages first and   
   the legends were a background made to suit them.   
      
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