XPost: rec.arts.books.tolkien   
   From: le@main.lekno.ws   
      
   O. Sharp wrote:   
   > Louis Epstein writes:   
   >   
   >> When he assaulted Frodo on the slopes of Orodruin,   
   >> the text says Gollum had lost "his old griping strength".   
   >>   
   >> This has survived all revisions so apparently the word   
   >> choice is deliberate.   
   >>   
   >> But does it refer to grips or to gripes?   
   >   
   > The OED has "griping" with a few different, now mostly-obsolete uses:   
   > "grasps, or clutches tightly", for one. Like: "He seiz'd the shining Bough   
   > with griping hold" (1697). Another of its definitions indicates "Causing   
   > pain or distress, physical or mental", as "Oh grisly gripyng grief"   
   > (1577). I think either of these could safely fit with Gollum's (lack of)   
   > strength at this point, and we certainly know JRRT knew his OED and   
   > language history quite well. :)   
      
   I admit that I failed to consult my partial set of the OED 2nd   
   (rescued from the discard bin at a local recycling center by   
   someone who apparently never unloaded the rest) before posting   
   though I considered doing so...I do in fact have the relevant   
   volume (V) and from pages 849 ff. it appears that the distinction   
   between grips and gripes is not as clear as I had assumed. :)   
      
   > Though I admit I'm just as glad he didn't lean too much on the OED's   
   > _third_ obsolete definition of griping, "applied more or less spec. to   
   > spasmodic constricting pains in the bowels", as in 1732's "It excites   
   > Vomiting, sharp griping Pains, with wind in other Parts of the Bowels".   
   > That, I think, would have significantly muddled the focus of the scene,   
   > not to mention made it much less fun to read. :/   
   >   
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   > ohh@panix.com Ewwwwwwwwwwwww. I just haven't even got a   
   > joke to make here. :/   
      
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