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   From: psperson@old.netcom.invalid   
      
   On Tue, 6 Jan 2026 05:07:18 -0000 (UTC), Louis Epstein    
   wrote:   
      
   >In rec.arts.books.tolkien Paul S Person  wrote:   
   >> On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 21:40:16 -0000 (UTC), "O. Sharp"    
   >> wrote:   
   >>    
   >>>Louis Epstein  quotes and asks:   
   >>>>>>       "'Yes,'said Frodo.'...now all is over.   
   >>>>>>       I am glad you are here with me.Here at   
   >>>>>>       the end of all things,Sam.'"   
   >>>>>>    
   >>>>>>       "'I am glad that you are here with me,'   
   >>>>>>       said Frodo.'Here at the end of all things,   
   >>>>>>       Sam.'"   
   >>>[...]   
   >>>>    
   >>>> I do not have any pre-1966 "First Edition" copies,but my oldest   
   >>>> Ballantine and HMCo Second Editions both have the discrepancy.   
   >>>>    
   >>>> Did Hammond & Scull flag this in their work?   
   >>>   
   >>>The First Edition has the same discrepancy for "that", and Hammond and    
   >>>Scull's _Reader's Companion_ makes no note of it. In fact that line of    
   >>>Frodo's (or those lines, if you prefer) doesn't even rate a mention in    
   >>>_HoME IX_, even though it includes a reference to a plot outline where    
   >>>Frodo was still named "Bingo". I guess _nobody_ wanted to point it out    
   >>>before now.  :)   
   >>    
   >> Or perhaps everybody else was sane enough to recognize that the two   
   >> situations produced similar thoughts.   
   >   
   >So you believe it was two different situations and lines   
   >rather than the same line chronicled differently?   
      
   It's been too long since I read the book to be clear.   
      
   But my memory does suggest that they occur in very different contexts.   
   With the same Hobbit reacting to similar psychological states the same   
   way.   
      
   But, if you prefer the path of the Higher Criticism, feel free. It can   
   do no harm, for it is ultimately pointless.   
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   Who evil spoke of everyone but God,   
   Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"   
      
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