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   From: psperson@old.netcom.invalid   
      
   On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 02:43:00 -0000 (UTC), Louis Epstein    
   wrote:   
      
   >In rec.arts.books.tolkien Paul S Person  wrote:   
   >> On 7 Jan 2026 18:01:15 GMT, Stephan Seitz    
   >> wrote:   
   >>    
   >>>In rec.arts.books.tolkien Paul S Person  wrote:   
   >>>> Well, have you considered the possibility that Frodo, having lost a   
   >>>> finger, is in shock and not thinking clearly? And reacting to Sam the   
   >>>   
   >>>I doubt it. Frodo was awake hours before Sam woke up, but slept again.   
   >>>Nothing indicates that he was in anyway bewildered. Sam showed more   
   >>>signs than Frodo.   
   >>    
   >> You snipped this:   
   >>    
   >>>Louis Epstein  quotes and asks:   
   >>>>Both of them refer to Frodo speaking to Sam on the slopes of Orodruin   
   >>>>after the collapse of Barad-dur...there would not be confusion over whether   
   >>>>this is a repetition of the exact same speech if there were any clear   
   >>>>distinction.   
   >>    
   >> It has been a long time since I read the book, but am I really to   
   >> understand that Frodo and Sam took hours-long naps after the Ring went   
   >> into the Cracks of Doom while waiting for the Eagles?   
   >>    
   >> And I didn't say "bewildered". I said "in shock". Losing a finger by   
   >> having it bitten off by Gollum tends to do that to people.   
   >   
   >How large a sample size of similarly affected individuals are you   
   >relying on to posit this conclusion?   
      
   It's called PTSD, once the actual shock disappears.   
      
   JRRT was an officer in the trenches in WWI. He would have been   
   well-aware of this phenomenon.   
      
   I take it you have no actual arguments left.   
      
   I'm almost ready to explore the book and see if this really is   
   before/after Frodo took a nap at Mt Doom after the Ring went in and   
   the Tower fell. Or if one is at Mt Doom, and the other at the Field of   
   Cormallon. I just have to be willing to take the time.   
       
   >> Very strange. Perhaps, the next time I have a pause in my eBook   
   >> reading, it would be time to reread (some of) JRRT.   
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