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   From: madkevin@golden.net   
      
   "Calvin Rice"  wrote in message   
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   > "madkevin"  wrote in message   
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   > > There is little critical consensus that "Stardust Memories" is somehow a   
   > > masterpiece, unless by masterpiece you mean "the one that rips off Fellini   
   more   
   > > than Bergman".   
   > > Kevin "Vitelloni" Cogliano   
   >   
   > I'm not afflicted with critical consensusitis.  I just calls um the way I   
   > sees um.  This movie is consciously, overtly Felliniesque.  So I don't   
   > think 'rip-off' is the word, because it has a connotation of 'should not   
   > have done it'.  Woody Allen made a wonderful and original great movie, and   
   > to me that means masterpiece.  Just because he meant for you to think of   
   > Fellini, and you did, doesn't lessen his achievement.   
   >   
   > -cr   
      
   The opening scene of "Stardust Memories" is lifted directly - and I mean shot   
   for shot - from the original opening sequence to "8 1/2" that was filmed but   
   never used. What do you call that? If I went out and made a movie that opens   
   with black 'n' white images of New York set to Gershwin music, did I just make   
   a   
   masterpiece? Or did I just rip-off "Manhattan"?   
      
   You can call anything you want anything you feel like, but that doesn't make it   
   so. A "masterpiece" is usually a film that is considered to be exemplary by   
   more   
   than one person, and as you would appear to be completely alone in your   
   estimation of "Stardust Memories" place in Allen's canon, you is calling um   
   wrong.   
      
   Kevin "An American In Paris" Cogliano   
      
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