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   From: jneibaur@wi.rr.com   
      
   in article 5acdd75a.0401132244.746219a1@posting.google.com, volkischlemiel   
   at volkischlemiel@hotmail.com wrote on 1/14/04 12:44 AM:   
      
   > I disagree. Isaac is just an all-around bullshitter. He goes back to   
   > Hemingway only because he got dumped by Keaton. Also, he doesn't take   
   > on Keaton as a challenge but because despite her pretensions and   
   > neurosis, she's someone who's more fun to be around with, more   
   > engaging in a pleasant and amusing way, whereas with Hemingway Isaac   
   > always had to play a parental role. Keaton character is more   
   > challenging but not a challenge.   
      
   I like your perspective, but will differ in regard to the relationships.  I   
   think Mary is a terrible person to be around as far as Isaac is concerned.   
   They don't like the same things ("my idea of a great movie is with W.C.   
   Fields"), don't even speak the same language.  Tracy, however, being young   
   and impressionable, has already been molded into what Isaac really wants   
   ("look the late show is a W.C. Fields film").  It is she whom he finally   
   realizes is what he wanted all along -- someone that he, essentially,   
   created as opposed to one who is already what he does not want and who will   
   not likely be so easily molded into his ideal image.   
      
   > At any rate, if Allen's intention was as you claim, I don't believe in   
   > Allen's sincerity because Allen was too smart, too cynical, and   
   > complex to actually believe the drivel spouted by Hemingway as she   
   > leaves.   
      
   I really don't think he believed her line "You have to have a little faith   
   in people.  Not everyone gets corrupted."   Now she will grow up and have   
   experiences that will easily obliterate the person she had thus far become.   
   She would return after six months an adult -- not an impressionable   
   youngster.  I believe Isaac realized that as per his face in the film's last   
   shot of them before going to the credits.   
      
   > Another thing that really unnerves(even disgusts)me is Hemingway's   
   > sinusy voice, the sort of voice of 6 yr old girls recovering from a   
   > flu. She's physically almost woman but vocally(by implication,   
   > mentally) she's a little girl. And, she comes across as so dimwitted   
   > that I dunno how she got admitted to a major dramatic school.   
      
   Mariel is past 40 now and still has the same voice.  Can't help that.  Tracy   
   does not come off as dimwitted, only young and impressionable.   
      
   Incidentally, I have ALWAYS been bugged by the scene where Isaac says to   
   Tracy, "You sound just like the mouse in the Tom and Jerry cartoon."   
   The Tom and Jerry cartoons that Allen would know at all would not have any   
   dialog.   I realize he was trying to call attention to the squeaky voice,   
   but he used a character that had no notable voice at all.  It would be like   
   saying someone talked like Harpo Marx.   
      
   JN   
      
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