XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.talk.creationism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
   From: me@nothere.biz   
      
   On 14-November-2014 10:45 PM, Malte Runz wrote:   
      
   > "felix_unger" skrev i meddelelsen   
   > news:ccm0piFgsiqU1@mid.individual.net...   
   >   
   > (snip)   
      
   you see, the trouble in trying to talk sense to atheists, is that they   
   have no sense. just stuck in their mindset rut, not able to see the   
   forest for the trees.   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >> I've concluded, following recent exchanges, that this guy is dishonest.   
   >   
   > There is nothing dishonest about saying that a story about a crippled   
   > hand being healed in 1858 doesn't cut it as evidence. There is nothing   
   > dishonest about saying that a 67 pixels out of focus grainy blob in   
   > photo is not evidence for anything, let alone alien spaceships. It's   
   > not dishonest to laugh at people who believe that medieval tales of   
   > Dog Heads is evidence of the existence of DH's.   
   >   
   > The dishonesty becomes apparent when you, who claim that everythining   
   > I just mentioned is indeed evidence,   
      
   I've told you over and over again what my position is. not my fault if   
   you can't/won't accept it. I posted this just yesterday, 13/11/14, which   
   you completely ignored:   
      
   ".. if you had any common sense, you would use it. firstly, we have to   
   consider ALL factors about anything to decide what the situation   
   actually is. belief CAN be evidence, as I will try to explain, but in   
   99.9% of cases belief is because of what evidence exists. In the case of   
   Christianity, the religion we are most familiar with in the West, apart   
   from Judaism, the beliefs are based on the bible and it's teaching, and   
   specifically the teachings of Jesus, and what is written about Jesus.   
   but we could then go on to say that the billions of christians are also   
   evidence, because if you (a person) had not heard of the bible, or   
   anything about Christianity, the fact that so many ppl believed   
   something would be evidence that there is something to believe in. and   
   when you take everything about Christianity into consideration.. ie. the   
   bible, the testimony of religious experiences, reports of miracles,   
   various texts and books, etc., that is all evidence for the existence of   
   the Christian God. likewise there is evidence for God (in general, if   
   you like), life, the universe, is evidence along with the literally   
   billions of ppl who believe in God in various ways. it's all just plain   
   common sense. ..."   
      
   > refuse to say whether you actually believe your own words or not.   
      
   and I've told you twice at least that what I believe, and the use of a   
   pseudonym, is immaterial to the validity of my arguments or any points I   
   make. and what did you do? you just snipped and ran.   
      
   >   
   >> when confronted with solid irrefutable argument or fact he just snips   
   >> and runs away. ...   
   >   
   > Do you believe that water from a well in France can heal people?   
   > Do you believe in miracles in general?   
   > Do you believe a grainy blob or a shaky video from 1954 is evidence of   
   > alien UFO's visting Earth?   
   > Do you believe that once Dog Heads lived in southern India?   
   > Do you believe that gods exist?   
      
   see above.   
      
   >   
   > You drag a tail of unanswered questions behind you that'd make   
   > Halley's Comet proud. But if you dare to answer those questions, and   
   > the ones to come, I'll consider picking up the debate again.   
   >   
   >   
   >> ... he doesn't have the decency to admit it when something that is   
   >> said it true. ...   
   >   
   > What truths?   
      
   like the fact that whether I disclose in a public forum what I   
   personally believe is irrelevant to the veracity of my arguments. like   
   the fact that you're too stupid to even suspect that a person might have   
   good reason(s) for not wanting to disclose their identity or beliefs.   
   like the fact that ppl may have good reasons to believe as they do. like   
   that fact that just because you don't accept as evidence what is clearly   
   evidence doesn't mean that it isn't. there is evidence for UFO's,   
   Nessie, and God. what do you suppose the Air force and NASA investigate   
   if not the evidence for UFO's and alien life forms to determine if they   
   exist or not? like the fact that that I don't have to prove that God,   
   Nessie, or UFO's exist to know that there is evidence for them. like the   
   fact that I don't have to defend any evidence for something and prove   
   that it proves anything, as you keep asking me to do, to know that it is   
   evidence. like the fact that you lie and misrepresent mine and murs   
   position from time to time, and even make contradictory remarks about   
   what you yourself believe as mur has quoted you on. like the fact that   
   you deny such truths, or snip and run with confronted with them. etc.,   
   etc., etc.,   
      
   > That a seventeen fingered hillbilly's belief in Big Foot must be   
   > considered valid evidence of Big Foots existence? You're the one   
   > running away every time I challenge you to defend your 'evidence'.   
   > You're the one who doesn't have the guts to pick one (1) specific   
   > example of what you call 'confirmed miracles' and defend it.   
   >   
   > So, 'felix', give me some of your truths and stick around to see me   
   > take them apart, or stop pretending that you're even trying.   
      
   see above comment   
      
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   > (snip)   
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   rgds,   
      
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