XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism, alt.talk.creationism   
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   On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:08:57 -0700, Virgil  wrote:   
   .   
   >On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 20:49:52 -0500, mur wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:44:16 -0700, Virgil  wrote:   
   >>.   
   >>>On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:23:51 -0500, mur wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:08:22 -0700, Wisely Non-Theist  wrote:   
   >>>>.   
   >>>>>On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:29:36 -0500, mur wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 03:43:54 -0800, Jeanne Douglas    
   >>>>>>wrote:   
   >>>>>>.   
   >>>>>>>In article <0qrqcalc1ofgv7gemh395qn40u3tofeiro@4ax.com>, mur wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 22:25:02 -0800, Jeanne Douglas    
   >>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> .   
   >>>>>>>> >On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 13:45:42 -0500, mur wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> >   
   >>>>>>>> >>On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 23:28:47 -0700, Wisely Non-Theist    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> >>.   
   >>>>>>>> >>>In article ,   
   >>>>>>>> >>> felix_unger  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> >>>   
   >>>>>>>> >>>> it takes faith to believe that God does not   
   >>>>>>>> >>>> exist   
   >>>>>>>> >>>   
   >>>>>>>> >>>Perhaps it does may faith to disbelieve in what a person has once   
   >>>>>>>> >>>believed in,   
   >>>>>>>> >>   
   >>>>>>>> >>    To disbelieve can mean to have no belief at all, but it can   
   also mean   
   >>>>>>>> >>    to   
   >>>>>>>> >>believe something is incorrect. That is very unfortunate imo, and   
   possibly   
   >>>>>>>> >>the   
   >>>>>>>> >>cause of some honest confustion...POSSIBLY.   
   >>>>>>>> >>   
   >>>>>>>> >>>but it takes no such faith not to believe in something one   
   >>>>>>>> >>>never has believed in.   
   >>>>>>>> >>   
   >>>>>>>> >>    To honestly have no belief requires considering the possibility   
   that   
   >>>>>>>> >>something is correct as well as that it's not correct. You make it   
   clearly   
   >>>>>>>> >>obvious you can consider the possibility that God does not exist as   
   being   
   >>>>>>>> >>correct. Try to present some evidence that you can also consider the   
   >>>>>>>> >>possibility   
   >>>>>>>> >>that God does exist as being correct, if you really would like to   
   try   
   >>>>>>>> >>pretending   
   >>>>>>>> >>you honestly have no belief about it.   
   >>>>>>>> >   
   >>>>>>>> >Why?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>     Because unless you do it will remain clear that the only belief   
   you're   
   >>>>>>>> capable of considering is the one but not any others. If you want to   
   try   
   >>>>>>>> pretending you "have" no belief then you need to show that you can   
   consider   
   >>>>>>>> more   
   >>>>>>>> than just the ONE we know you DO consider.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Care to translate that gibberish into English?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>    You can't do what I challenged you to do as I suspected, so you   
   proved me   
   >>>>>>correct. You've apparently served your purpose as well and clearly as   
   you are   
   >>>>>>able to.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>There are all sorts of things that I do not believe in because I know   
   >>>>>nothing of them.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    The possibility of God's existence is not one of them so you changed   
   the   
   >>>>subject because you're ashamed of it for some reason.   
   >>>   
   >>>The possibility of a godly existence is precisely one of the the things   
   >>>that I do not KNOW , because I KNOW nothing about any actual existence   
   >>>of any gods, whether your alleged gods or anyone else's alleged gods,   
   >>>though I do have my suspicions.   
   >>   
   >>    You're able to consider the possibility that God does not exist but not   
   able   
   >>to consider the possibility that he does. Not "any of them" by your overly   
   >>resticted pov.   
   >   
   >Learn to read! What I said was that I did not KNOW.   
   >   
   >That hardly is the same as being unable to consider possiblities!   
      
       Try to demonstrate that you're capable of considering the possibility that   
   there IS a God associated with this planet, if you want anyone to believe you   
   might possibly be able to do so.   
      
   >>>>WHY are you ashamed of it,   
   >>>>don't you have any idea? Don't any of you have any idea? Why are you    
   people not   
   >>>>only NOT proud of and attempting to defending your position, but are   
   ashamed of   
   >>>>it and trying to squirm away from yourselves?   
   >>>   
   >>>What is it that you claim I have to be ashamed of?   
   >>   
   >>    Your belief that there's no God associated with this planet, and possibly   
   >>(probably) with any planet anywhere.   
   >   
   >What makes you think that I have any BELIEFS re gods at all?   
      
       Well actually I wasn't addressing you when I asked the question, and what I   
   asked does apply to the person I asked about it. I still suspect it applies to   
   you as well, but we'll see how you handle the challenge I presented above.   
      
   >Agnostics don't! They may have suspicions but no such beliefs.   
      
       I'm a weak agnostic and consider the possibility that there's no God   
   associated with Earth. But I can also consider the possibility that there IS,   
   which leaves a LOT more room and freedom for thought.   
      
   >>>That I do not claim to know something that has not been proved beyond   
   >>>reasonable doubt?   
   >>   
   >>    Of course not. That just brings up the question of whether you honestly   
   >>thought that could have been it, or if you were dishonestly pretending it was   
   >>when in fact you knew that wasn't it when you asked. If the latter, it   
   brings up   
   >>the question of why you wanted to pretend you're more stupid than you   
   actually   
   >>are. Of course you can't answer that, but the question will always remain now   
   >>that you've brought it into consideration.   
      
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