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   On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 00:28:21 -0800, Jeanne Douglas    
   wrote:   
   .   
   >In article <7cqveapp3lph792ulfahruehgramnvjagp@4ax.com>, mur wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:58:20 -0800, Jeanne Douglas    
   >> wrote:   
   >> .   
   >> >On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:42:07 -0500, mur wrote:   
   >> >   
   >> >>On Sat, 14 Feb 2015 21:36:11 -0800, Jeanne Douglas   
   >> >>   
   >> >>wrote:   
   >> >>.   
   >> >>>In article , mur wrote:   
   >> >>>   
   >> >>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:22:40 -0800, Jeanne Douglas   
   >> >>>>    
   >> >>>> wrote:   
   >> >>>> .   
   >> >>>> >In article <2o4ldah5qo072pcljugc8kseima7qoplib@4ax.com>, mur wrote:   
   >> >>>> >   
   >> >>>> >> On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:46:56 -0800, Jeanne Douglas   
   >> >>>> >>    
   >> >>>> >> wrote:   
   >> >>>> >> .   
   >> >>>> >> >In article , mur wrote:   
   >> >>>> >> >   
   >> >>>> >> >> On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 03:43:54 -0800, Jeanne Douglas   
   >> >>>> >> >>    
   >> >>>> >> >> wrote:   
   >> >>>> >> >> .   
   >> >>>> >> >> >In article <0qrqcalc1ofgv7gemh395qn40u3tofeiro@4ax.com>, mur   
   >> >>>> >> >> >wrote:   
   >> >>>> >> >> >   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 22:25:02 -0800, Jeanne Douglas   
   >> >>>> >> >> >>    
   >> >>>> >> >> >> wrote:   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> .   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >On Sat, 24 Jan 2015 13:45:42 -0500, mur wrote:   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 23:28:47 -0700, Wisely Non-Theist   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>wrote:   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>.   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>In article ,   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>> felix_unger  wrote:   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> it takes faith to believe that God does not   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>> exist   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>Perhaps it does may faith to disbelieve in what a person   
   has   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>once   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>believed in,   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>    To disbelieve can mean to have no belief at all, but it   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>    can   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>    also   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>    mean   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>    to   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>believe something is incorrect. That is very unfortunate   
   imo,   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>and   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>possibly   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>the   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>cause of some honest confustion...POSSIBLY.   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>but it takes no such faith not to believe in something one   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>>never has believed in.   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>    To honestly have no belief requires considering the   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>    possibility   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>    that   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>something is correct as well as that it's not correct. You   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>make it   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>clearly   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>obvious you can consider the possibility that God does not   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>exist   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>as   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>being   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>correct. Try to present some evidence that you can also   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>consider   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>the   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>possibility   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>that God does exist as being correct, if you really would   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>like to   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>try   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>pretending   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >>you honestly have no belief about it.   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> >Why?   
   >> >>>> >> >> >>   
   >> >>>> >> >> >>     Because unless you do it will remain clear that the only   
   >> >>>> >> >> >>     belief   
   >> >>>> >> >> >>     you're   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> capable of considering is the one but not any others. If you   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> want to   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> try   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> pretending you "have" no belief then you need to show that you   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> can   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> consider   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> more   
   >> >>>> >> >> >> than just the ONE we know you DO consider.   
   >> >>>> >> >> >   
   >> >>>> >> >> >Care to translate that gibberish into English?   
   >> >>>> >> >>   
   >> >>>> >> >>     You can't do what I challenged you to do as I suspected, so   
   >> >>>> >> >>     you   
   >> >>>> >> >>     proved   
   >> >>>> >> >>     me   
   >> >>>> >> >> correct. You've apparently served your purpose as well and   
   clearly   
   >> >>>> >> >> as   
   >> >>>> >> >> you   
   >> >>>> >> >> are   
   >> >>>> >> >> able to.   
   >> >>>> >> >   
   >> >>>> >> >   
   >> >>>> >> >Now you have 2 pieces of word salad to translate into English. When   
   >> >>>> >> >can   
   >> >>>> >> >I expect your translation?   
   >> >>>> >>   
   >> >>>> >>     If you can't figure out what I meant then you just can't   
   >> >>>> >>     comprehend   
   >> >>>> >>     because   
   >> >>>> >> you're not mentally capable, and the concept will always remain   
   >> >>>> >> beyond   
   >> >>>> >> your   
   >> >>>> >> mental ability regardless of how it's presented to you.   
   >> >>>> >   
   >> >>>> >And once again you deflect. Is there a reason you never answer a   
   >> >>>> >question you're asked or respond to requests?   
   >> >>>>   
   >> >>>>     Oh okay, now you've made it clear that you want people to believe   
   >> >>>>     you're   
   >> >>>> even MORE clueless than I pointed out for you above. Everything I wrote   
   >> >>>> is in   
   >> >>>> English. Would you care to explain why you dishonestly want people to   
   >> >>>> think   
   >> >>>> you're so stupid that you think it needed to be translated into the   
   >> >>>> language   
   >> >>>> it   
   >> >>>> was written in to begin with? Or are you going to continue to pretend   
   >> >>>> you   
   >> >>>> honestly ARE as stupid as you portrayed yourself to be?   
   >> >>>   
   >> >>>And once again you haven't answer my questions.   
   >> >>   
   >> >>    Try translating them into English instead of muddled shit.   
   >> >>   
   >> >>>Every time you do that   
   >> >>>you confirm to everybody else that you cannot answer.   
   >> >>   
   >> >>    I did answer. You just don't happen to like the answers because they   
   >> >>    focus   
   >> >>on your own stupidity. Not only are you stupid for asking such stupid   
   >> >>questions,   
   >> >>but you're only asking them because you're too stupid to be able to   
   >> >>comprehend   
   >> >>what I pointed out to begin with. That or you're ashamed of the fact I   
   >> >>pointed   
   >> >>out to begin with of course. But why you would respond to a fact you're   
   >> >>ashamed   
   >> >>of by acting like an incredibly stupid idiot is now in question. You can   
   >> >>never   
   >> >>answer that one, and might not even have any idea why you did it yourself,   
   >> >>so   
   >> >>I'm forced to consider what seems the most likely reason you did it for   
   >> >>myself.   
   >> >>The most likely seeming reason is that you would like to oppose what I   
   >> >>pointed   
   >> >>out but you're either too stupid to really comprehend what it means as   
   >> >>you're   
   >> >>acting like you are, or you do comprehend what it means and want to oppose   
   >> >>it   
   >> >>but can't, so you made up something and then treid to oppose what you made   
   >> >>up.   
      
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