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   From: doldridg@leavethisoutshaw.ca   
      
   duke  wrote in   
   news:jm9si5h252996qf0s0k1u1l62dboram088@4ax.com:   
      
   >On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:21:30 GMT, Dave Oldridge   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>>>>>For example, the Orthodox bishop of Alexandria is called "pope" by   
   >>>>>>his churches.   
   >>>>>But not successor to Peter.   
   >   
   >>>>Oddly again, yes, a successor to Peter as bishop of a see.   
   >   
   >>>But not a successor to Peter as Pope.   
   >>How could we tell?   
   >   
   >History.   
   >   
   >>The Church has actually been broken since the Great Schism.  The claim   
   >>of current popes to universal hegemnony is at least somewhat spurious.   
   >>   
   >   
   >Not true.  The EOC left.   
      
   Nope, there was a mutual excommunication.  And, if I understand correctly   
   dialogues have resumed...a good sign.   
      
   >   
   >>However, the bishop of Rome is still a bishop in the apostolic   
   >>succession and is one of the five archbishops who were the imporant   
   >>rulers of the ancient Church.  As such he certainly deserves our   
   >>respect.   
   >   
   >Correction:  Jesus himself gave the assignment of Pope to Simon Peter   
   >in Jerusalem in 33AD.  After that, every Pope was elected by his fellow   
   >bishops in accordance with the scripture that says "let another take   
   >his place".   
      
   Except recent popes have been elected only by a group of bishops attached   
   to Rome and in the absence of the bishops of the four other ancient sees.   
      
   >   
   >Pope Peter moved eventually to Rome, the Pope becoming one and the same   
   >as the Bishop of Rome.  Both Pope B16 from Germany, and JPII from   
   >Poland were elected Pope, and became the Bishop of Rome also.  The EOC   
   >objected and left.   
      
   Bored now.  In any case, someone needs to take the current guy out behind   
   the barn and explain that God has ORDAINED tha there will be population   
   control of some sort.  We do have choices.  We can opt to use the most   
   humane methods possible or we can opt for the natural solution.  That   
   latter, my friend, starts with famine but he invites war and pestilence   
   to the feast.   
      
   I'm not suggesting abortion.  I would act before conception where   
   possible and never after implantation.  But that's just my knowledge of   
   human reproduction and my common sene talking.   
      
   --   
   Dave Oldridge+   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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