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   From: duckgumbo32@cox.net   
      
   On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:13:46 GMT, Dave Oldridge    
   wrote:   
      
   >duke  wrote in   
   >news:jm9si5h252996qf0s0k1u1l62dboram088@4ax.com:   
   >   
   >>On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:21:30 GMT, Dave Oldridge   
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>>>>>For example, the Orthodox bishop of Alexandria is called "pope" by   
   >>>>>>>his churches.   
   >>>>>>But not successor to Peter.   
   >>   
   >>>>>Oddly again, yes, a successor to Peter as bishop of a see.   
   >>   
   >>>>But not a successor to Peter as Pope.   
   >>>How could we tell?   
   >>   
   >>History.   
   >>   
   >>>The Church has actually been broken since the Great Schism.  The claim   
   >>>of current popes to universal hegemnony is at least somewhat spurious.   
      
   >>Not true.  The EOC left.   
      
   >Nope, there was a mutual excommunication.   
      
   And the day after the great schism, the Roman Catholic Church **still** had the   
   Papacy, the EOC leaving the Church as Christ gave it.   
      
   >And, if I understand correctly dialogues have resumed...a good sign.   
      
   Dialogues are great.  The Papacy is given by Christ and is not about to go   
   away.   
      
   >>>However, the bishop of Rome is still a bishop in the apostolic   
   >>>succession and is one of the five archbishops who were the imporant   
   >>>rulers of the ancient Church.  As such he certainly deserves our   
   >>>respect.   
      
   >>Correction:  Jesus himself gave the assignment of Pope to Simon Peter   
   >>in Jerusalem in 33AD.  After that, every Pope was elected by his fellow   
   >>bishops in accordance with the scripture that says "let another take   
   >>his place".   
      
   >Except recent popes have been elected only by a group of bishops attached   
   >to Rome and in the absence of the bishops of the four other ancient sees.   
      
   They reject the Papacy.  They're welcome back if they want to come back.   
      
   >>Pope Peter moved eventually to Rome, the Pope becoming one and the same   
   >>as the Bishop of Rome.  Both Pope B16 from Germany, and JPII from   
   >>Poland were elected Pope, and became the Bishop of Rome also.  The EOC   
   >>objected and left.   
      
   >Bored now.   
      
   Of Course you are.  It's not fun to find out you don't know what you thought   
   you   
   did.  You started off strongly suggesting you were a 'priest', and now you   
   can't   
   even defend the EOC much less the LCC.   
      
   >  In any case, someone needs to take the current guy out behind   
   >the barn and explain that God has ORDAINED tha there will be population   
   >control of some sort.   
      
   Well, we can eat more chicken, pork and beef.  With people, Mat 25:31-46 makes   
   it clear God ORDAINED who goes to heaven and who doesn't.   
      
   >  We do have choices.  We can opt to use the most   
   >humane methods possible or we can opt for the natural solution.  That   
   >latter, my friend, starts with famine but he invites war and pestilence   
   >to the feast.   
      
   >I'm not suggesting abortion.  I would act before conception where   
   >possible and never after implantation.  But that's just my knowledge of   
   >human reproduction and my common sene talking.   
      
   God said "Do not murder".   
      
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