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   From: lunch@nofreelunch.us   
      
   On Sun, 17 Jan 2010 07:52:28 -0500, old man joe  wrote   
   in alt.talk.creationism:   
      
      
   That was Pat Robertson who blamed God. He does not claim to be atheist.   
      
   >and in so doing, they admit there is the Living God whom they are well aware   
   of.   
   >Ro. 1:18,19   
      
   No.   
      
   >this is Atheist thinking in action... first deny there is the Living God,   
   then when great   
   >loss of life occurs through disasters, blame God for it.   
      
   No atheists did that, though, except possibly to mock the most foolish   
   theists.   
      
   >the life God dismisses the Atheist to live is one where the Atheist displays   
   himself as   
   >his own worst enemy.  such it is to be an Atheist... rendered " without God "   
   in Eph.   
   >2:12, left behind those whom God shows mercy; strangers to Him; without hope   
   and left to   
   >conjure up his own ideas about what God ought to be, but isn't.  Ps. 50:21   
   >   
   >the usual condemnation they bring is that an all powerful all loving God   
   could have   
   >prevented all this destruction, and because He didn't, therefore He doesn't   
   exist.   
      
   Since you claim God exists, explain why He didn't stop it.   
      
   >two things are working at the same time with this concept they have of God.   
      
   I do not believe in any gods, but I am quite familiar with Christian   
   doctrine.   
      
   >one is, because they think themselves much more benevolent than God therefore   
   they   
   >wouldn't have done this is they were God.  this idea comes from man wanting   
   to be God just   
   >as Satan enticed our first parents... the Atheist fell for that old line, too.   
      
   That was not sensible.   
      
   >the second is more towards the secular sense, there are plenty of places on   
   earth man   
   >should not make his home.  what kind of a person lives in New Orleans in that   
   part of it   
   >which is below sea level ?  what kind of person lives within range of   
   volcanoes which have   
   >in times past buried everyone in the area alive in molten rock ?  its man's   
   poor choices   
   >which get him in this kind of trouble, not God's.   
      
   So you are saying that God is indistinguishable from nothing and   
   prevents no harm.   
      
   >in Ezekiel 18 for example, we have clear testimony from the Living God   
   through the prophet   
   >to all mankind that when reprobates provoked Him enough, they are set for   
   destruction.   
   >who's Creation is it anyway ?  doesn't the Potter have power over the clay ?   
   ( Ro. 9 )   
   >here are the Atheists, completely inept in the Holy Scriptures by the power   
   of God to hide   
   >truth from them ( 1 Cor. 1:18,19 ) voicing their inept conclusions about what   
   the Living   
   >God ought to do with His own property, man and beast included.   
      
   There's no evidence that God ever had anything to do with anything in   
   the Bible. You may claim to be God's slave, but no evidence supports   
   your claim.   
      
   >wonderfully enough, we are seeing first hand what the upcoming destruction of   
   this present   
   >universe will be about by today's increases in ' natural ' upheavals.  mass   
   destruction   
   >with massive loss of life is on the increase in the world, so is disease...   
   some of this   
   >is brought on by man's poor choices of where he makes himself to live and all   
   of this is   
   >brought on by his sinful lifestyle provoking God beyond His patience... after   
   all, He   
   >destroyed the ancient world by the Flood for the single revealed cause... "    
   And GOD saw   
   >that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination   
   of the   
   >thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. " Ge. 6:5 (KJV)   
      
   Priests love to put words in God's mouth and use Him as their   
   sockpuppet. No evidence supports the claim that God ever had anything to   
   do with any words in the Bible.   
      
   >the Atheists have obviously adapted the Fundamentalist preaching from   
   watching too many   
   >tel evangelists saying unScriptually that " God loves you. " the facts in   
   this case are   
   >simple and direct... God hates the wicked and their ways as we read in Ps.   
   5:4-6 and   
   >7:10-17, but  " God is love " ( 1 Jn. 4:16 ) only towards His elect ones for   
   these are the   
   >only ones to whom His love is demonstrated by saving them from the penalty of   
   their sins.   
   >1 Jn. 4:10   
      
   Until you provide evidence that the Bible is somehow related to God, you   
   are just blowing hot air and trying to get us to believe your personal   
   doctrines.   
      
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