XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.atheism   
   From: lunch@nofreelunch.us   
      
   On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:12:45 -0400, old man joe  spewed   
   his lies in alt.atheism:   
      
   >   
   >  God Almighty doesn't need His atheists approval to exist nor to carry on   
   with His work of saving   
   >sinners.  some are shown mercy, some are hardened.  ( Ro. 9:18 )  now, where   
   do you suppose the   
   >atheist fits in to Romans 9:18 ?   
   >   
   >  " He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. "   
   >( Ro. 9:18 )   
      
   Why do you allege that the Bible backs you up, when you never bother to   
   establish that the Bible is accurate or reliable?   
      
   >  while the Atheist rightly looks upon what TV evangelists preach as trash,   
   and as he sees the   
   >murderous, money grabbing philosophy of selling forgiveness of sins the   
   Catholics are famous for, as   
   >well as their idol worship and Polytheism... if he's ever encountered a   
   Moonie or a Jehovah   
   >Witness...  he rightly sees no value in religion... none of these are telling   
   the truth about the   
   >Person and work of the Lord Jesus Christ.   
   >   
   >  the only source of truth is in the Holy Scriptures.   
      
   So you say, but fail to support.   
      
   >  there we read that no one is capable of accepting Jesus Christ unto   
   salvation;  it is God choice   
   >who will be saved and who will not be saved.  Romans 9:18 tells you that.   
      
   So the author of Romans is calling Jesus a liar in your interpretation.   
      
   >  while the Evangelical types insist otherwise, saying Christ died for   
   everybody and desperately   
   >wants all to make a decision to accept Him as their Lord and Savior so as to   
   become saved... the   
   >Bible says quite to the contrary.   
   >   
   >  the Bible says He came to save " His people " ( Mt. 1:21 ) and no one else.   
   ( Jn. 17:9 )  it is   
   >these and these alone who have been given the faith of Jesus Christ and are   
   saved unto eternal life.   
   >Gal. 2:16   
      
   Then it really doesn't matter what we believe.   
      
   >  those of His marked for mercy are those who's names He wrote in His Book of   
   Life before He ever   
   >created the all things.  and, wonderfully, the good and bad people do are   
   never taken into account   
   >when He made this choice ( Ro. 9:11 )... it rests solely in the secret   
   counsel of God.   
   >   
   >  He is called ' Almighty ' since He can make anew the most hardened sinner   
   as well as keep under   
   >chains those who are appointed to His wrath.   
      
   As far as we can tell, God has done nothing at all. There's no evidence   
   to support any of your claims.   
      
   >in fact, our word ' atheist ' comes from the Bible and is found there only   
   once in Eph. 2:12 and is   
   >rendered " without God. "  the amazing interpretation the Fundamentalists put   
   on this word ' atheist   
   >' is contrary to the whole of Scripture... to be an Atheist doesn't mean that   
   one has weighed all   
   >the facts he can gather and conclude's there is no God to answer to.   
   >   
   >what it does mean is as the verse it's found in describes, and many other   
   passages speaking to why a   
   >person is ' without God. '  these are said by God to ' hardened '   
   >( Ro. 9:18 ) ... without hope, strangers and aliens to all things freely   
   bestowed upon those to whom   
   >God does indeed have mercy... the Atheist is dead in sin; he is hated by God   
   >( Ps. 5:4-6 )  God is angry with him everyday.  Ps. 7:11   
   >   
   >all this and more is exactly why the Atheist mocks the Bible and God   
   Himself;  he is abandoned by   
   >God for anything more than the general grace He gives to all mankind.   
      
   I find useful things in the Bible, not many, but a few. The Beatitudes   
   are a great way to get supposed Christians who are reactionary   
   Republicans to shut up for a few minutes. Paul's support of slavery and   
   treatment of women as slaves is a good way to remind people that the   
   Bible was wrong on those things. I don't mock God because there's no   
   reason to accept the claim he exists. I mock you because you are smug,   
   incompetent, liar who is proud of how little you know and refuse to   
   learn anything.   
      
   --   
      
      
   Here is what Jesus said would happen to those who are intentionally   
   ignorant:   
      
   "Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten   
   talents. For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an   
   abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from   
   him. And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where   
   there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)