XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.atheism   
   XPost: alt.talk.creationism   
   From: nobody@nowhere.com   
      
   On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 07:42:13 -0400, old man joe wrote:   
      
   > On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:58:41 -0400, Darrell Stec    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>MarkA wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 06:41:19 -0400, old man joe wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>> reason # 1.  since all mankind came from Adam and Eve and Adam of his   
   >>>> own free will chose rebellion against God rather than obedience, and   
   >>>> because of God's judgment against him, out of whom all mankind would   
   >>>> be born, all of mankind has Original Sin imputed to their account   
   >>>> Ps. 58:3;  Ro. 3:10-18... simply put,  " a corrupt tree bringeth forth   
   >>>> evil fruit. " Mt.7:17   
   >>>   
   >>> If the tree was the "tree of knowledge of good and evil", then before   
   >>> eating of its fruit, Adam and Eve would have no concept of what evil   
   >>> was, therefore they could not have known that they were committing a   
   >>> sin to eat of it.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >>Don't these idiots realize that there were TWO trees in the garden?   
   >>Eating the fruit of the second tree, The Tree of Everlasting Life would   
   >>confer immortality.  The man was kicked out of the garden to prevent him   
   >>from becoming "gods like we."  Right in their bible it says there are   
   >>more than one god and that humans could become gods by eating fruit.   
   >   
   > you preach Polytheism which is contrary to the Bible... "  I am the LORD,   
   > and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though   
   > thou hast not known me:  That they may know from the rising of the sun,   
   > and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there   
   > is none else.  I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and   
   > create evil: I the LORD do all these things."  Isa. 45:5 - 7   
      
   That sounds more like Yahweh urging his people not to worship those other   
   gods.  Kind of like saying, "Whizzo is the ONLY butter you need to eat!"   
   It doesn't mean there are not other products, just that the makers of   
   Whizzo want you to buy only theirs.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>Incidentally the bible is very specific about kicking the MAN out of the   
   >>garden.  It says nothing about the woman.  Why do Fundies miss that   
   >>part?   
   >   
   > i am not a Fundy and i doubt very much you even know what a Fundy really   
   > is according to the Bible.   
   >   
   > the problem the Atheists have in interpreting the Bible is that they are   
   > not allowed by God to understand it,  Jn. 8:43,44,  so they come up with   
   > worldly conclusions to spiritual things...   
      
   Sorry, but the bible is a "wordly" document.  There is no reason that   
   atheists can't interpret it with as much authority as believers.  It's   
   just that you don't like what it actually says.   
      
   >   
   > in Gen. 3:24 and 4:1 defines they were both removed from the Garden...   
   > why do Atheists miss that part ?  because of Jn. 8:43,44.   
   >   
   >>They also miss the part where god lies and says they will die on the   
   >>very day they eat that fruit.  The serpent said god was lying.  It turns   
   >>out the serpent was correct.  Adam and Eve did not die that day.  And   
   >>further, not only did Adam and Even not know what good and evil were   
   >>before eating the fruit as you pointed out, only the man got the   
   >>instructions.  Eve wasn't around yet (unless the other story was correct   
   >>and Adam and Eve were created at the same time out of the dust of the   
   >>earth.  Now what woman in her right mind would expect her husband to get   
   >>everything right?  :-)   
   >   
   > you called God a lair which makes you smarter than He although you don't   
   > even remotely understand the Word of God nor can because of Jn.   
   > 8:43,44... the death in view was death of the soul, which took place   
   > immediately and made God unapproachable to them because of sin... this   
   > is the same reason you are not allowed to understand the Bible, because   
   > this same sin dwells in you.   
   >   
   > the body of your rebuttal is Gnosticism, the sin of Adam and Eve.  all   
   > the while you are cursing God you are fulfilling everything you speak   
   > against.   
   >  there is plenty of Original Sin dwelling in you.   
      
   ...and there are plenty of deeply homologous genes dwelling in you.   
      
   --   
   MarkA   
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