XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.atheism   
   XPost: alt.talk.creationism   
   From: fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au   
      
   Seon Ferguson wrote this laughable drivel:   
    >   
   > The only thing laughable is religion and why any grown man would believe   
   > in such hogwash.   
      
      
   Sure Seon, all these numbskulls wish they had your brilliance   
   and accomplishments;       BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA!   
      
   The Greatness of God is something we cannot understand even though we   
   are aware of it   
      
   -  Rene Descarte 1596-1650 mathematician and philosopher   
      
   René Descartes one of the key thinkers of the Scientific Revolution in   
   the Western World. honoured by having the Cartesian coordinate system   
   used in plane geometry and algebra named after him. He did important   
   work on invariants and geometry. His Meditations on First Philosophy   
   partially concerns theology and he was devoted to reconciling his ideas   
   with the dogmas of Catholic Faith to which he was loyal.   
      
      
   I see everywhere the inevitable expression of the infinite in the world   
      
   -  Louis Pasteur 1822-95   
      
   As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no idea of the manner   
   by which the All-Wise God perceives and understands all things.   
      
   -  Sir Isaac Newton  1642-1727   
      
   The scientific picture of the real world around me is very   
   deficient...Science cannot tell us why music delights us, of why and how   
   an old song can move us to tears.... Science is reticent too when it is   
   a question of the great Unity... of which we all somehow form a part, to   
   which we belong. The most popular name for it in our time is God.   
      
   -  Erwin Schroedinger 1933 Nobel prize in Physics   
         "My view of the World" 1918   
      
   There can never be any real opposition between religion and science.   
   Every serious and reflective person realizes, I think, that the   
   religious elements in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if   
   all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance   
   and harmony.   
      
   -  Max Planck winner of the 1918 Nobel prize in Physics   
         "Where is Science Going" 1918   
      
         "Something unknown is doing we don't know what"   
             -Sir Arthur Eddington   
      
   Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can   
   soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not   
   possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the   
   wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of   
   superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone   
   he would make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of   
   materialism.   
      
   - 'Abdu'l - Baha "Paris Talks" 1911   
      
   Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of   
   the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as   
   well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces   
   worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the   
   facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost   
   beyond question." (2)   
      
   George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in   
   the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the   
   complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use   
   the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological   
   status of the word." (3)   
      
   Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it   
   quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be   
   some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the   
   explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something   
   instead of nothing." (6)   
      
   John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,   
   a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the   
   Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could   
   never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances   
   indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)   
      
   George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the   
   thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,   
   Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without   
   intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence   
   of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially   
   crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)   
      
   Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or   
   Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present   
   state of scientific theory." (9)   
      
   Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique   
   event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very   
   delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to   
   permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say   
   'supernatural') plan." (10)   
      
   Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe   
   has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)   
      
   Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty   
   of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very   
   tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am   
   sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)   
      
   Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by   
   our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the   
   divine." (13)   
      
   Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has   
   lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad   
   dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to   
   conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he   
   is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for   
   centuries." (14)   
      
   Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to   
   take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and   
   the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the   
   ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of   
   God." (15)   
      
   Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my   
   career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced   
   atheist. I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be   
   writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-   
   Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are   
   straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand   
   them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable   
   logic of my own special branch of physics." (16) Note: Tipler since   
   has actually converted to Christianity, hence his latest book, The   
   Physics Of Christianity.   
      
   Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician): "We know that nature is   
      
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