XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.atheism   
   XPost: alt.talk.creationism   
   From: fasgnadh@yahoo.com.au   
      
   Seon Ferguson blames his server for his own stupidity:   
   > L.Roberts plays his tourettaphone:   
   >> fasgnadh wrote:   
   >>> Seon Ferguson wrote this laughable drivel:   
   >>>  >   
   >>>> The only thing laughable is religion and why any grown man would   
   >>>> believe in such hogwash.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Sure Seon, all these numbskulls wish they had your brilliance   
   >>> and accomplishments;       BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA!   
      
     Seon received a Darwin award, not a Nobel prize!    B^D   
      
   >>> The Greatness of God is something we cannot understand even though we   
   >>> are aware of it   
   >>>   
   >>> -  Rene Descarte 1596-1650 mathematician and philosopher   
   >>>   
   >>> René Descartes one of the key thinkers of the Scientific Revolution   
   >>> in the Western World. honoured by having the Cartesian coordinate   
   >>> system used in plane geometry and algebra named after him. He did   
   >>> important work on invariants and geometry. His Meditations on First   
   >>> Philosophy partially concerns theology and he was devoted to   
   >>> reconciling his ideas with the dogmas of Catholic Faith to which he   
   >>> was loyal.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> I see everywhere the inevitable expression of the infinite in the world   
   >>>   
   >>> -  Louis Pasteur 1822-95   
   >>>   
   >>> As a blind man has no idea of colours, so have we no idea of the manner   
   >>> by which the All-Wise God perceives and understands all things.   
   >>>   
   >>> -  Sir Isaac Newton  1642-1727   
   >>>   
   >>> The scientific picture of the real world around me is very   
   >>> deficient...Science cannot tell us why music delights us, of why and how   
   >>> an old song can move us to tears.... Science is reticent too when it is   
   >>> a question of the great Unity... of which we all somehow form a part, to   
   >>> which we belong. The most popular name for it in our time is God.   
   >>>   
   >>> -  Erwin Schroedinger 1933 Nobel prize in Physics   
   >>>      "My view of the World" 1918   
   >>>   
   >>> There can never be any real opposition between religion and science.   
   >>> Every serious and reflective person realizes, I think, that the   
   >>> religious elements in his nature must be recognized and cultivated if   
   >>> all the powers of the human soul are to act together in perfect balance   
   >>> and harmony.   
   >>>   
   >>> -  Max Planck winner of the 1918 Nobel prize in Physics   
   >>>      "Where is Science Going" 1918   
   >>>   
   >>>      "Something unknown is doing we don't know what"   
   >>>          -Sir Arthur Eddington   
   >>>   
   >>> Religion and science are the two wings upon which man's intelligence can   
   >>> soar into the heights, with which the human soul can progress. It is not   
   >>> possible to fly with one wing alone! Should a man try to fly with the   
   >>> wing of religion alone he would quickly fall into the quagmire of   
   >>> superstition, whilst on the other hand, with the wing of science alone   
   >>> he would make no progress, but fall into the despairing slough of   
   >>> materialism.   
   >>>   
   >>> - 'Abdu'l - Baha "Paris Talks" 1911   
   >>>   
   >>> Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): "A common sense interpretation of   
   >>> the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as   
   >>> well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces   
   >>> worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the   
   >>> facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost   
   >>> beyond question." (2)   
   >>>   
   >>> George Ellis (British astrophysicist): "Amazing fine tuning occurs in   
   >>> the laws that make this [complexity] possible. Realization of the   
   >>> complexity of what is accomplished makes it very difficult not to use   
   >>> the word 'miraculous' without taking a stand as to the ontological   
   >>> status of the word." (3)   
   >>>   
   >>> Alan Sandage (winner of the Crawford prize in astronomy): "I find it   
   >>> quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be   
   >>> some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery but is the   
   >>> explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something   
   >>> instead of nothing." (6)   
   >>>   
   >>> John O'Keefe (astronomer at NASA): "We are, by astronomical standards,   
   >>> a pampered, cosseted, cherished group of creatures.. .. If the   
   >>> Universe had not been made with the most exacting precision we could   
   >>> never have come into existence. It is my view that these circumstances   
   >>> indicate the universe was created for man to live in." (7)   
   >>>   
   >>> George Greenstein (astronomer): "As we survey all the evidence, the   
   >>> thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather,   
   >>> Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without   
   >>> intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence   
   >>> of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially   
   >>> crafted the cosmos for our benefit?" (8)   
   >>>   
   >>> Arthur Eddington (astrophysicist): "The idea of a universal mind or   
   >>> Logos would be, I think, a fairly plausible inference from the present   
   >>> state of scientific theory." (9)   
   >>>   
   >>> Arno Penzias (Nobel prize in physics): "Astronomy leads us to a unique   
   >>> event, a universe which was created out of nothing, one with the very   
   >>> delicate balance needed to provide exactly the conditions required to   
   >>> permit life, and one which has an underlying (one might say   
   >>> 'supernatural') plan." (10)   
   >>>   
   >>> Roger Penrose (mathematician and author): "I would say the universe   
   >>> has a purpose. It's not there just somehow by chance." (11)   
   >>>   
   >>> Tony Rothman (physicist): "When confronted with the order and beauty   
   >>> of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very   
   >>> tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am   
   >>> sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it." (12)   
   >>>   
   >>> Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by   
   >>> our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the   
   >>> divine." (13)   
   >>>   
   >>> Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has   
   >>> lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad   
   >>> dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to   
   >>> conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he   
   >>> is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for   
   >>> centuries." (14)   
   >>>   
   >>> Stephen Hawking (British astrophysicist): "Then we shall… be able to   
   >>> take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and   
   >>> the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the   
   >>> ultimate triumph of human reason - for then we would know the mind of   
   >>> God." (15)   
   >>>   
   >>> Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics): "When I began my   
      
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