XPost: alt.athiesm, alt.atheism, alt.talk.creationism
From: gmail@com.mkbilbo
On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:22:29 -0400, Ralph wrote:
> On 7/20/2010 5:06 PM, AllSeeing-I wrote:
>> On Jul 20, 3:03 pm, SkyEyes wrote:
>>> On Jul 19, 8:00 pm, AllSeeing-I wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 6:51 pm, SkyEyes wrote:
>>>
>>>>> On Jul 19, 4:47 pm, AllSeeing-I wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 19, 3:16 pm, SkyEyes wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 10:54 am, Caranx latus wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 10:49 am, AllSeeing-I wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 8:48 am, Rinaldo of Capadoccia
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A ham sandwich is superior over god.
>>>>>>>>>> I'll prove it to you by logic:
>>>>>>>>>> 1) Nothing is better than god.
>>>>>>>>>> 2) A ham sandwich is better than Nothing. 3) Therefore, by the
>>>>>>>>>> transitive principle, a ham sandwich is better than god. QED
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Until all that PORK causes your chest to squeeze in pain from a
>>>>>>>>> heart attack of course.
>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then...
>>>
>>>>>>>>> You will find nothing better to call out to then ---God.
>>>
>>>>>>>> I suspect that even you, [M]adman, would call out to 9-1-1 rather
>>>>>>>> than God.
>>>
>>>>>>> Sure he would. He believes that "science" is evil, but we alll
>>>>>>> know he'll be the first one in line at the ER whenever something
>>>>>>> goes wrong with his health.
>>>
>>>>>>> Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
>>>>>>> BAAWA Knight
>>>>>>> EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding skyeyes nine
>>>>>>> at cox dot net- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>>>>> Jesus told us to use mammon wealth toots.
>>>
>>>>> Chapter and verse, please?
>>>
>>>> well now. Weren't you going on the other day about reading the bible
>>>> in various languages and translations but you do not know one of the
>>>> more famous quotes?
>>>
>>>> Why yes. I think that was YOU.
>>>
>>>> "9And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of
>>>> unrighteousness" Luke 16
>>>
>>> It's a far reach to say that this is Jesus endorsing your use of
>>> science, while simultaneously making fun it.
>>>
>>> Let's take a little look at this verse, shall we?
>>>
>>> As usual, you've taken a verse out of context - in this case, right
>>> out of the middle of a parable, the easier to make it seem to say what
>>> you want it to say.
>>>
>>> Here's the entire parable, Luke 16:1-14. I hope you don't mind the
>>> New International Version.
>>>
>>> Luke 16
>>> The Parable of the Shrewd Manager
>>> 1Jesus told his disciples: "There was a rich man whose manager was
>>> accused of wasting his possessions. 2So he called him in and asked
>>> him, 'What is this I hear about you? Give an account of your
>>> management, because you cannot be manager any longer.'
>>> 3"The manager said to himself, 'What shall I do now? My master is
>>> taking away my job. I'm not strong enough to dig, and I'm ashamed to
>>> beg— 4I know what I'll do so that, when I lose my job here, people
>>> will welcome me into their houses.'
>>>
>>> 5"So he called in each one of his master's debtors. He asked the
>>> first, 'How much do you owe my master?'
>>>
>>> 6" 'Eight hundred gallons[a] of olive oil,' he replied.
>>> "The manager told him, 'Take your bill, sit down quickly, and
>>> make it four hundred.'
>>>
>>> 7"Then he asked the second, 'And how much do you owe?'
>>> " 'A thousand bushels[b] of wheat,' he replied. "He told him,
>>> 'Take your bill and make it eight hundred.'
>>>
>>> 8"The master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted
>>> shrewdly. For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with
>>> their own kind than are the people of the light. ***9I tell you, use
>>> worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is
>>> gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.***
>>>
>>> 10"Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with
>>> much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest
>>> with much. 11So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly
>>> wealth, who will trust you with true riches? 12And if you have not
>>> been trustworthy with someone else's property, who will give you
>>> property of your own?
>>>
>>> 13"No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and
>>> love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the
>>> other. You cannot serve both God and Money."
>>>
>>> 14The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering
>>> at
>>> Jesus. 15He said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in
>>> the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued
>>> among men is detestable in God's sight.
>>>
>>> Notice verse 9, which I emphasized with asterisks: "9I tell you, use
>>> worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is
>>> gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.***
>>>
>>> Nothing to do with using science for your own ends while simultaneous
>>> disparaging it.
>>>
>>> This is, by the way, another of the great contradictions in the bible:
>>> Jesus tells his disciples to make friends using wealth. But in
>>> Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25 and Luke 18:25, Jesus tells his disciples
>>> that "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through
>>> the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of
>>> God."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ooopsie! Let's add this:
>>>
>>>> "Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth
>>>> your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is
>>>> abomination in the sight of God. "
>>>
>>>> That would be your silly man made science.
>>>
>>> You know, *if* there was any evidence that a god exists, I could well
>>> believe that it would hate science. Science, unlike god, gets
>>> results. Nowhere in the bible - or in any other religious text - does
>>> any god clue people in about germs causing disease, so get your
>>> drinking water upstream from from the latrine, or wash your hands
>>> after you take a crap, or boil your water and milk.
>>>
>>> Science works, and that's without anyone "believing in" it or
>>> "worshipping" it. God, on the other hand, is strangely useless.
>>> Almost as if it didn't exist at all....
>>>
>>>>> And if science is "silly," then why employ it when you are sick?
>>>>> That's what I asked you, [M]Addy, and I'm not going to let you
>>>>> squirm out of it. If your god exists and is so great, then why not
>>>>> just pray to it whenever you get sick? Why resort to using
>>>>> science-based medicine at all? Science, after all, is *silly*.
>>>
>>>> I never once claimed that science is useless.
>>>
>>> If you think it's useful, why do you disparage it as being "silly"?
>>>
>>>
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