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   XPost: alt.athiesm, alt.atheism, alt.talk.creationism   
   From: darstec@neo.rr.com   
      
   SkyEyes wrote:   
      
   > On Jul 20, 5:06 pm, AllSeeing-I  wrote:   
   >> On Jul 20, 3:03 pm, SkyEyes  wrote:   
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   >> > On Jul 19, 8:00 pm, AllSeeing-I  wrote:   
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   >> > > On Jul 19, 6:51 pm, SkyEyes  wrote:   
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   >> > > > On Jul 19, 4:47 pm, AllSeeing-I  wrote:   
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   >> > > > > On Jul 19, 3:16 pm, SkyEyes  wrote:   
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   >> > > > > > On Jul 19, 10:54 am, Caranx latus  wrote:   
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   >> > > > > > > On Jul 19, 10:49 am, AllSeeing-I  wrote:   
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   >> > > > > > > > On Jul 19, 8:48 am, Rinaldo of Capadoccia   
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   >> > > > > > > > > A ham sandwich is superior over god.   
   >> > > > > > > > > I'll prove it to you by logic:   
   >> > > > > > > > > 1) Nothing is better than god.   
   >> > > > > > > > > 2) A ham sandwich is better than Nothing.   
   >> > > > > > > > > 3) Therefore, by the transitive principle, a ham sandwich   
   >> > > > > > > > > is better than god.    QED   
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   >> > > > > > > > Until all that PORK causes your chest to squeeze in pain   
   >> > > > > > > > from a heart attack of course.   
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   >> > > > > > > > Then...   
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   >> > > > > > > > You will find nothing better to call out to then ---God.   
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   >> > > > > > > I suspect that even you, [M]adman, would call out to 9-1-1   
   >> > > > > > > rather than God.   
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   >> > > > > > Sure he would.  He believes that "science" is evil, but we alll   
   >> > > > > > know he'll be the first one in line at the ER whenever   
   >> > > > > > something goes wrong with his health.   
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   >> > > > > > Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34   
   >> > > > > > BAAWA Knight   
   >> > > > > > EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding   
   >> > > > > > skyeyes nine at cox dot net- Hide quoted text -   
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   >> > > > > Jesus told us to use mammon wealth toots.   
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   >> > > > Chapter and verse, please?   
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   >> > > well now. Weren't you going on the other day about reading the bible   
   >> > > in various languages and translations but you do not know one of the   
   >> > > more famous quotes?   
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   >> > > Why yes. I think that was YOU.   
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   >> > > "9And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of   
   >> > > unrighteousness" Luke 16   
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   >> > It's a far reach to say that this is Jesus endorsing your use of   
   >> > science, while simultaneously making fun it.   
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   >> > Let's take a little look at this verse, shall we?   
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   >> > As usual, you've taken a verse out of context - in this case, right   
   >> > out of the middle of a parable, the easier to make it seem to say what   
   >> > you want it to say.   
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   >> > Here's the entire parable, Luke 16:1-14.  I hope you don't mind the   
   >> > New International Version.   
   >>   
   >> > Luke 16   
   >> > The Parable of the Shrewd Manager   
   >> > 1Jesus told his disciples: "There was a rich man whose manager was   
   >> > accused of wasting his possessions. 2So he called him in and asked   
   >> > him, 'What is this I hear about you? Give an account of your   
   >> > management, because you cannot be manager any longer.'   
   >> > 3"The manager said to himself, 'What shall I do now? My master is   
   >> > taking away my job. I'm not strong enough to dig, and I'm ashamed to   
   >> > beg— 4I know what I'll do so that, when I lose my job here, people   
   >> > will welcome me into their houses.'   
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   >> > 5"So he called in each one of his master's debtors. He asked the   
   >> > first, 'How much do you owe my master?'   
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   >> > 6" 'Eight hundred gallons[a] of olive oil,' he replied.   
   >> > "The manager told him, 'Take your bill, sit down quickly, and   
   >> > make it four hundred.'   
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   >> > 7"Then he asked the second, 'And how much do you owe?'   
   >> > " 'A thousand bushels[b] of wheat,' he replied.   
   >> > "He told him, 'Take your bill and make it eight hundred.'   
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   >> > 8"The master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted   
   >> > shrewdly. For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with   
   >> > their own kind than are the people of the light. ***9I tell you, use   
   >> > worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is   
   >> > gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.***   
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   >> > 10"Whoever can be trusted with very little can also be trusted with   
   >> > much, and whoever is dishonest with very little will also be dishonest   
   >> > with much. 11So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly   
   >> > wealth, who will trust you with true riches? 12And if you have not   
   >> > been trustworthy with someone else's property, who will give you   
   >> > property of your own?   
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   >> > 13"No servant can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and   
   >> > love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the   
   >> > other. You cannot serve both God and Money."   
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   >> > 14The Pharisees, who loved money, heard all this and were sneering at   
   >> > Jesus. 15He said to them, "You are the ones who justify yourselves in   
   >> > the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued   
   >> > among men is detestable in God's sight.   
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   >> > Notice verse 9, which I emphasized with asterisks:  "9I tell you, use   
   >> > worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is   
   >> > gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings.***   
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   >> > Nothing to do with using science for your own ends while simultaneous   
   >> > disparaging it.   
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   >> > This is, by the way, another of the great contradictions in the   
   >> > bible:  Jesus tells his disciples to make friends using wealth.  But   
   >> > in Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25 and Luke 18:25, Jesus tells his disciples   
   >> > that "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through   
   >> > the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of   
   >> > God."   
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   >> > > ooopsie! Let's add this:   
   >>   
   >> > > "Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth   
   >> > > your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is   
   >> > > abomination in the sight of God. "   
   >>   
   >> > > That would be your silly man made science.   
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   >> > You know, *if* there was any evidence that a god exists, I could well   
   >> > believe that it would hate science.  Science, unlike god, gets   
   >> > results.  Nowhere in the bible - or in any other religious text - does   
   >> > any god clue people in about germs causing disease, so get your   
   >> > drinking water upstream from from the latrine, or wash your hands   
   >> > after you take a crap, or boil your water and milk.   
   >>   
   >> > Science works, and that's without anyone "believing in" it or   
   >> > "worshipping" it.  God, on the other hand, is strangely useless.   
   >> > Almost as if it didn't exist at all....   
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   >> > > > And if science is "silly," then why employ it when you are sick?   
   >> > > > That's what I asked you, [M]Addy, and I'm not going to let you   
   >> > > > squirm out of it.  If your god exists and is so great, then why not   
   >> > > > just pray to it whenever you get sick?  Why resort to using   
   >> > > > science-based medicine at all?  Science, after all, is *silly*.   
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