XPost: alt.talk.creationism, alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism   
   XPost: alt.philosophy   
   From: chrisdhaag@googlemail.com   
      
   Am Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:18:36 -0400 schrieb old man joe:   
      
   > evolution depends on one thing... life coming from the elements of the   
   > earth which are not alive.   
      
   No. Evolution would still happen even if some divine being or an alien   
   created the first cell.   
      
   > the Periodic Table lists all of the elements naturally occurring in our   
   > world and none of them by any combination brings them to life.   
      
   What? How do you know that?   
      
   >  call   
   > names as the evolutionists do... curse God all they want...   
      
   That's not part of the Theory of Evolution.   
   I think.   
      
   > they simply   
   > will never face the fact that life just doesn't come out of elements   
   > that are not alive.   
      
   Why should they? It's not part of the Theory of Evolution.   
      
   > the human body for example... which elements comprise the human body is   
   > easily found on the Internet.   
   >   
   > none of these elements are alive in and of themselves.   
      
   You still have not explained how that somehow invalidates the Theory of   
   Evolution.   
      
   > before the evolutionists claim they came from monkeys  they logically   
   > need to prove where the monkey came from.   
      
   No. They only need to need to prove they came from monkeys.   
   (Let's accept the sloppy term "coming from a monkey" for a moment)   
      
   >  and what made itself into a   
   > monkey...  and before that, and before that... all the way back to the   
   > first living thing that made itself alive from elements that are not   
   > alive.   
      
   Why?   
      
   > and the evolutionists call those whom God causes to believe Him, stupid   
   > !   
      
   No. There's no evidence God causes anyone to believe anything.   
      
   But why should people who spend their time writing against the Theory of   
   Evolution without even having a slight idea what it is about not be   
   called stupid?   
      
   > well mr. evolutionist, all you are saying in your belief system is that   
   > its okay for you to believe in your scientists   
      
   The whole idea of the scientific method is to avoid having to believe   
   blindly in some dogma.   
      
   Of course you need to have a little bit of trust that not the vast   
   majority of scientists is fradulent. But I really, really can't see   
   evidence for that.   
      
   > but its not okay for the   
   > elect to believe in God that He created living things... for example,   
   > the human body from the dust of the earth, that is, the elements of the   
   > earth.   
      
   Well, reagarding that the Theory of Evolution is backed up by much, much   
   evidence and that the existence God is an exceptional huge assumption you   
   would need rather strong evidence to make a senseful point.   
      
   Yet "Why is there anything rather then nothing" and "How did abiogenesis   
   happen" is the best creationists can come up.   
      
   > that it's okay for you to believe your scientists but its not okay for   
   > His elect ones to believe God just shows you are trying desperately to   
   > hide your ignorance behind your arrogance and filthy language...   
      
   No, it shows you that they are certainly pissed by constant   
   misrepresentation of what they found out about nature and efforts to   
   replace it by a hypothesis backed up by barely anything.   
      
   > which   
   > is a sign of ignorance in itself that you don't know what you're talking   
   > about...   
      
   On the contrary there is much evidence that you don't know what you're   
   talking about since you think the Theory of Evolution is about   
   abiogenesis and you fail to present any other evidence that backs up the   
   Theory of Evolution for falsification.   
      
   > so you instead try to bully your way through the subject by   
   > intimidation.   
      
   In reality I can see that you or people like you are repeatedly told that   
   you should first get your facts straight.   
      
   > the facts in the case are simple and direct... man is made by God in His   
   > image and every cognizant person knows full well there is the Living God   
   > who created all things because God Himself made Himself evident to   
   > everyone with cognizance just as He says in Ro.1:18-20... rendering   
   > every person " without excuse. "   
      
   So I am guessing:   
   You just know what is right. You have no need to rethink your position   
   because you know it is right beyond doubt. Because God told you so. And   
   he tells you in giving you a feeling about what is right.   
      
   Yet there is no evidence that any god is involved in that process.   
      
   So I am asking you: Where does this "cognizance" come from? Isn't it   
   right that god gives it to people?   
   Now I'm not an expert at Evolution, it's just a hobby to learn a little   
   bit about it. But even with this little knowledge I can immedietaly see   
   where creationists go wrong when they present the Theory of Evolution.   
   I can also see that this "cognizance" isn't worth much because many   
   people claim to have it yet it tells them very different things. It seems   
   clear to me that even if it is there then it is not more than wishful   
   thinking and self-suggestion.   
      
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