XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism, alt.talk.creationism   
   From: lunch@nofreelunch.us   
      
   On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 06:46:45 -0400, old man joe    
   wrote in alt.talk.creationism:   
      
   >On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:51:09 -0700 (PDT), Davej  wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Jul 13, 5:05 am, old man joe  wrote:   
   >>> [...]   
   >>> its always interesting to read feedback to such subject matter.  the   
   >>> Atheists never, repeat, never, can prove their point of a universe in   
   >>> the billions of years of age.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>Yes, we know you were home-schooled, but you know everything because   
   >>you memorized the Koran or Bible or some other stupid God-book.   
   >   
   >   
   >here we have the usual reply the Atheists use in order to prove their   
   un-provable position, just as   
   >was foretold in many of my previous posts.   
      
   The atheist position is "I do not believe in any gods." What do you   
   think needs proving?   
      
   >while they quickly charge ignorance against Creationist's they fail to show   
   Creationist's, or even   
   >themselves for that matter, how non-living elements come to life all by   
   themselves.  if they could   
   >do that, then they'd have a case for Evolution and the Big bang idea... but   
   they can't.   
      
   Creationism is a false doctrine of a minority of theists. It is   
   completely indefensible, which is why most theists belong to   
   denominations that reject creationism. Don't misrepresent your doctrine,   
   those who reject it do not reject it because they are atheist. They   
   reject it because it has been shown to be false. The only way to teach   
   anti-evolution creationism is to lie to others, something you seem quite   
   comfortable doing.   
      
   >who then are the ignorant ones ?   
      
   Creationists are the ones who preach falsehoods.   
      
   >we notice that the Atheists must snip away what they can't address in my   
   posts, thus doubling their   
   >hypocrisy.  the rational is just too high for them to attain so it's better   
   for them to just ignore   
   >it... then maybe the facts will go away .  but they don't.   
      
   That made no sense at all.   
      
   >life, is not of this world.  life comes from the Living God.   
      
   So you preach, but cannot support with any evidence.   
      
   > they all know it because God made it   
   >evident to them as we read in Holy Scripture in Ro.1:18 and following.   
      
   You have chosen to interpret the Bible in a way to make it conflict with   
   physical evidence. I see no reason to accept your doctrines when you do   
   that. I have no reason to accept the unsubstantiated claim that God has   
   anything to do with the Bible or any other scriptures.   
      
   >  it's not Creationist's who   
   >they are trying so desperately to duck, it's the Living God who gives life to   
   non-living elements.   
      
   Again, you make claims you cannot back up, and whine when we refuse to   
   accept your unsupported assertion. When you are able to provide evidence   
   for the god you claim to worship and you provide evidence that your god   
   did any of the things you claim, then and only then you will have a   
   valid reason to demand that we listen to you. Until then you are merely   
   using a god as your sock puppet to repeat your unsupportable claims.   
      
   >remove the life and the non-living elements are just as non-living as before.   
      
   Life is a process, not a magic potion. Please learn some science.   
      
   >so let's see their dynamic cumulative intelligence answer, without them   
   resorting to insults to   
   >prove Evolution and the Big Bang, exactly how life came to be from elements   
   that are not alive.   
      
   You keep reminding us that you are perfectly ignorant about how science   
   works and, it appears, you intend to stay ignorant. I have no idea how I   
   can teach you about either the origins of the universe or about   
   evolution if you refuse to learn anything about science at all.   
   Apparently the god you worship hates it when people learn. Are you sure   
   he won't punish you for using tools developed from scientific   
   discoveries?   
      
   >it can't be done, and they know it and show it.   
      
   You have repeatedly made it clear that you are not competent to judge   
   that and that you will never allow yourself to know enough to be in that   
   position. Like most of the anti-science folks who post here, you act as   
   if you worship your own ignorance above everything else.   
      
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