XPost: alt.suicide, alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism   
   XPost: alt.philosophy   
   From: br@veburg.er   
      
   old man joe wrote:   
   > " That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the   
   > commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise,   
   > having   
   > no hope, and without God in the world... "   
   > Eph.2:12   
   >   
   > in this passage of Holy Scripture we are told exactly what an ' atheist '   
   > is... the term " without God " is rendered by the translator's from the   
   > Greek   
   > word " atheos " from which we get our English word " atheist. "   
   >   
   > an atheist, then, is a person who is " without God. "   
      
   well more without god believe, since there is none.   
      
   > however, upon prudent examination of this passage where the word atheos is   
   > found we see that to be atheos... without God... is by God's choice, and   
   > not   
   > that of the atheist, since all of the grace and goodness of the Living God   
   > is   
   > not directed to the benefit of the one who is " without God."   
      
   So he is a lucky charm , well not if you look at job.   
      
   > this doctrine flows throughout the whole of Holy Scripture.  the peoples   
   > of   
   > the ancient world who were killed in the Flood of Noah's time were all   
   > atheists... not a single one of them were chosen to be saved from the   
   > killing   
   > Flood... which, BTW, is a metaphor for the Gospel of salvation through   
   > Jesus   
   > Christ represented by the Ark as a typology.   
      
   Okay who did Noah and his daughters and sons fuck then?   
   So inbred we are?   
      
   > salvation came to Noah and his family by the Ark while those outside of   
   > the   
   > Ark, perished.   
      
   Sure even if it was true, no other boats existed?   
      
   > this is further spoken of in the Bible that the Gospel is a sweet perfume   
   > to   
   > those whom God favor's by giving them life and faith in Christ unto   
   > remission   
   > of sins and completely caustic to those not so chosen by God for life and   
   > faith in Jesus Christ. 2 Cor.2:14-16.   
      
   While I use it as toiletpaper.   
      
   > coupled with this is the doctrine of the Bible that an atheist is an   
   > atheist   
   > from cradle to grave, Ps.58:3, and he remains without God in the saving   
   > sense   
   > of full deliverance from the bondage of Satan, sin and death so that the   
   > atheist is on the outside looking in all of his life unless God acts first   
   > to   
   > undo the state of being the atheist is in.   
      
   Oh great, so I can`t help being an atheist too, bloody hell. ;o)   
      
   > that the atheist curses God and his fellow man is evidence enough that he   
   > is   
   > abandoned by God.   
   > the nature of the atheist in the inner man examples itself by his foul   
   > ball   
   > outlook on life... he knows in his heart of hearts that only misery is in   
   > store for him day after day until the moment of his death, at which time   
   > he   
   > is released from his continual anguish.   
      
   Ah sounds great, my only salvation is liberation from the Creator and it's   
   creation.   
      
   > when the atheist curses God as he does he is evidencing to the world that   
   > he   
   > is indeed " without God."  that he is keep under bondage and dismissed to   
   > a   
   > life of chaotic reprobation by God well demonstrates itself by the atheist   
   > that he is the cause of his own effects.  for example, he blames God for   
   > his   
   > condition all the while saying there is no such thing as God.   
   >   
   > we note that the condition of the atheist can not ever be repaired by   
   > himself... tomorrow will be just like today, meaningless. it takes an act   
   > of   
   > God to bring him into the salvation favor of God, who, contrary to the   
   > theology of Mr.Everyman, does not desperately want all men to be saved.   
   > if that were true, everyone would have climbed aboard the Ark.   
      
   Yeah like he had enough food for that.   
      
   > on the bright side of the coin, so to speak, there is no such place or   
   > state   
   > of being as eternal hell fire according to God's own Word, recorded for us   
   > in   
   > the Bible.  the atheist simply perishes, returns to dust from which we all   
   > are made.  this evidences the great mercy of God even towards those who   
   > curse   
   > Him.   
      
   Oh wow, he shuts us out and it is our own fault, bloody hell.   
   Well I rather had it that he didn`t create me at all, you can tell him that.   
      
   > an amazing aspect of Atheism plays out in the atheist that he will not   
   > come   
   > under the Lordship of God of his own free will, Jn.5:40.  this again shows   
   > us   
   > the condemnation he is under... he is completely helpless and he is not   
   > about   
   > to change by any means in and of himself.   
      
   Which shows what utter bastard that creator of yours is.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)