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   XPost: alt.talk.creationism, sci.skeptic   
   From: brownr@nowhere.com   
      
   Ps.119 wrote:   
      
   >   
   >    the Big Bang Theory was concocted in the last century.  today, the   
   > idea is feed to the gullible through media in the form of cartoons.   
   > this Big Bang idea starts off without a starting place...  the '   
   > stuff ' of the universe was " always there."  this, at least, leaves   
   > ' scientific ' thinker's with a model to work with but leaves out an   
   > extremely important foundation to build their model on... all the   
   > while bypassing this and other extremely important factors that are   
   > required to make their model tenable.   
   >   
   >   while the focus is on the ' stuff '... that is to say, the matter   
   > which Big Banged it's way into the entire universe, the ' science '   
   > needed to prove where this matter came from in the first place is   
   > completely avoided.  it can not be proven by any means in the realm   
   > of science exactly where this matter came from... to say it was   
   > "always there " does not prove it's existence came from no where.   
   > such amounts to making a fact out of a guess.   
   >   
   >   so now we have on the table a something in the realm of ' science '   
   > telling us that matter came from no where.  this violates their own "   
   > scientific " law of Conservation of Mass/Energy which states that   
   > matter can not be created or destroyed... that's why they must   
   > conclude that the universe was " always there. "  the idea that   
   > matter was " always there" just waiting to Big Bang it's way into the   
   > universe we have today, is untenable.   
   >   
   >   along with that, these ' scientists ' also avoid the proof of where   
   > space came from.  to say it was   'always there ' doesn't prove how   
   > it came to be... the big question is " how it came to be " simply   
   > because it's inconceivable that something came from no where.  the   
   > mass of matter which big banged wasn't laying on a table.  no, it was   
   > floating in space as they would have us to presume.   
   >   
   >   now we have two things conveniently avoided by the ' scientific '   
   > mind... no proof of how matter came to be and no proof of how space   
   > came to be.  that it was " always there " is pushed along as fact   
   > needing no proof. one of their kind actually attempts to answer this   
   > charge by claiming when this matter, which came from no where, but   
   > was always there, created space when the matter big banged.  really ?   
   > prove it.   
   >   
   >   yet another unbelievable proof in the scientific realm of no facts   
   > equal truth is the fantastic story that this matter, which was always   
   > there, all in one place mind you, exploded into space that was always   
   > there and magically, life began on what they call " early earth " and   
   > out of absolute sterility no less... or maybe life began in the   
   > sea... or maybe life began in outer space... lots of maybe's to   
   > choose from.   
   >   
   >  in the Periodic Table of Elements from which everything is comprised   
   > we find nothing alive.  yet, the human body for example, which is   
   > made up of certain elements all found in the Periodic Table, is   
   > alive. and, a dead human's body contains the same elements as the   
   > living person but one body is alive and the other is dead.  it   
   > doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that life is not of   
   > this world.   
   >   
   >   when it comes to real life and the departing from speculation based   
   > on dreams ( and cartoons ) we have a far different beginning than any   
   > scientist can concoct... the Living God spoke the universe into   
   > existence and He created living beings and living things from the   
   > non-living elements of the earth.  only in the Lord God is life.   
   > this is a far more rational approach to where it all came from.  such   
   > an approach respects the person as well as the Creator.   
   >   
   >  and, everyone knows this though their own disdain for God leads them   
   > to deny God as even existing.  but no one can run away from the   
   > simple fact that it is God who tells us He and He alone has made His   
   > existence known to every rational person through Creation and on a   
   > personal level as well, as He say in Romans 1:18 and following.   
   >   
   > the Big Banger's have no self respect.  this is unavoidable for them   
   > since Atheists are Atheists from cradle to grave.  you can read that   
   > in your Bible in Ps. 58:3.  as He says... " that which is known about   
   > God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. "... "   
   > so they are without excuse. " Ro. 1:18-20   
   >   
   >  so then, Evolution is baloney because the Big Bang is baloney. and   
   > even without the Big Bang idea ( a Atheist Roman Catholic Monsignor   
   > dreamed up the Big Bang idea ) it's impossible for life to have   
   > started all by itself from elements that are not alive to this day   
   > only to later evolve into other living things.   
   >   
   > in conclusion, the difference between fact and fiction is that God   
   > took it upon Himself to make Himself known to every rational   
   > person... yes, even the Atheist cursing God and blaming Creationist's   
   > for his own total inability to be truthful to himself.  they must   
   > hide behind cursing Creationist's in desperate hope of trying to look   
   > superior... a cheap cop-out stemming from denial.   
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   Another home skooler tries to take on the Big Bang. Forget it pal.   
   Leave the intellectual heavy lifting to those with an education -   
   you're only going to tear all the ligaments in your head.   
      
   That's why I say ...   
      
   "When you're talking with a creationist, it's not the heat, it's the   
   stupidity." - R.Brown   
      
      
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