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   "in these passages of 1 Jn.2 :4-6 we see that the personal evidence God   
   grants to His elect ones that we are indeed redeemed centers around our   
   love of the truth, and we know from Ho ly Scripture and can not mistake   
   being in Him because those who love God and are loved by God are giv en the   
   Holy Spirit of God who guides us into all truth, Jn.16;13.."   
      
   But the jw and mormon and christian science and more would instantly plug   
   themselves into that claim regarding "truth".  They would give a big   
   "amen".   
      
   I'm sorry joe, this is a snake biting its tail, a circular logic claim.   
      
   So we still have to ask, is calvin among the elect?  Is he in hell?   
      
   Is harold camping among the elect regardless of his failings?   
      
   Are you among the elect for supporting harold camping?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)