XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.talk.creationism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
      
   On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 12:25:36 +1100, felix_unger  wrote:   
   .   
   >On 29-September-2014 11:03 AM, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:09:13 -0500, Free Lunch  wrote:   
   >> ..   
   >>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:33:40 -0400, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:25:48 -0500, Free Lunch    
   wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:22:41 -0400, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:08:16 -0500, Free Lunch    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>> .   
   >>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:57:07 -0400, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 17:54:14 -0500, Free Lunch    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:47:16 -0400, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >>>>>>> ...   
   >>>>>>>>>>     "The gods of the theists who bother us here don't exist, even   
   in non-god   
   >>>>>>>>>> form." - Free Lunch   
   >>>>>>>>> The fact that we don't bother trying to decide of the entire set of   
   all   
   >>>>>>>>> possible gods do or do not exist does not affect the fact that the   
   gods   
   >>>>>>>>> preached by the theist fools who waste our time in alt.atheism do not   
   >>>>>>>>> exist.   
   >>>>>>>>     Present your evidence, not just the possibility you've put your   
   faith in.   
   >>>>>>> Define your god for me so I can show you that your god does not exist.   
   >>>>>>    To me the minimum would be a being not native to Earth that had   
   deliberate   
   >>>>>> influence on the way life developed on this planet.   
   >>>>> So your god is trivially unimportant.   
   >>>>     Not compared to you, or me, or anyone else who has ever lived.   
   >>> How so? Your god is one of those that is completely unsubstantiated and   
   >>> meaningless.   
   >>      We were discussing a definition, not the amount of proof of the actual   
   >> existence or not of what is being defined.   
   >>   
   >>>>> Fine.   
   >>>>     You damn sure can't do anything about it no matter what you say or   
   try to   
   >>>> do.   
   >>> I agree that I cannot turn you into a rational human. That is your   
   >>> problem.   
   >>      I consider the possibility that there is no God associated with Earth,   
   and   
   >> the possibility that there is. I've also challenged many of you atheists,   
   and   
   >> probably you yourself, to try to explain why I should put my faith in the   
   first   
   >> possibility being the correct one. Until one of you people finally manages   
   to   
   >> give some respectable reason(s) why I should put my faith in that first   
   >> possibility being the correct ONE, it will continue to seem much more   
   rational   
   >> to consider more than that one and not put faith in it.   
   >   
   >They have no answer for this   
      
        They don't seem to have anything other than a few personal insults to   
   throw   
   around and the blatant lie that there's no evidence. Then when challenged to   
   try   
   explaining what evidence they think there should be if God exists and things   
   related to their demand for evidence they haven't got the slightest idea. It   
   seems the very Bible they claim is not evidence mentioned their position over a   
   thousand years ago, and it's still made obvious by their own mental limitations   
   yet today. Atheists themselves are evidence of God's existence by being   
   evidence   
   of Satan's influence on their pitiful little minds:   
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   Psalm 53   
   1 The fool says in his heart,   
       "There is no God."   
   They are corrupt, and their ways are vile;   
       there is no one who does good.   
      
   Mathew 7   
   6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you   
   do,   
   they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."   
      
   Mathew 13   
   13 "This is why I speak to them in parables:   
      
   "Though seeing, they do not see;   
       though hearing, they do not hear or understand.   
   14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:   
      
   "You will be ever hearing but never understanding;   
       you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.   
   15 For this people’s heart has become calloused;   
       they hardly hear with their ears,   
       and they have closed their eyes.   
   Otherwise they might see with their eyes,   
       hear with their ears,   
       understand with their hearts   
   and turn, and I would heal them.’"   
      
   Mark 6   
   11 "And if any place will not welcome you or listen to you, leave that place   
   and   
   shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them."   
      
   John 8   
   43 "Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I   
   say.   
   44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your   
   father’s   
   desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for   
   there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he   
   is   
   a liar and the father of lies.   
      
   2 Corinthians 2   
   11 in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his   
   schemes.   
      
   2 Corinthians 4   
   4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot   
   see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image   
   of God.   
      
   2 Corinthians 6   
   14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and   
   wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?   
      
   Ephesians 4   
   18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God   
   because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.   
      
   1 Timothy 4   
   1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and   
   follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.   
   2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been   
   seared as with a hot iron.   
      
   2 Timothy 2   
   24 And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone,   
   able to teach, not resentful.   
   25 Opponents must be gently instructed, in the hope that God will grant them   
   repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth,   
   26 and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the   
   devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.   
      
   James 1   
   13 When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be   
   tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone   
      
   1 Peter 5   
   8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring   
   lion looking for someone to devour.   
      
   1 John 2   
   22 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a   
   person   
   is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.   
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