XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.talk.creationism
XPost: sci.skeptic
On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 18:27:42 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com> wrote:
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>On 9/28/2014 9:05 PM, mur@.not. wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:10:14 -0500, Free Lunch wrote:
>> .
>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:34:35 -0400, mur@.not. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 18:27:00 -0600, Uergil wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article , mur@.not.
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Most that I've encountered try to claim they have no belief. Not
believing
>>>>>> any gods exist can mean having no belief, or it could mean believing no
gods
>>>>>> exist. Even after making it clear they believe no gods exist many
atheists
>>>>>
>>>>> Most atheists only SUSPECT that no gods exist
>>>>
>>>> No place(s) in the entire universe? Or just none associated with this
planet
>>>> or star system?
>>>
>>> There are zero gods that are supported by evidence.
>>
>> Try to explain WHAT sort of evidence you think there "should be",
WHERE you
>> think it "should be", and WHY you think it "should be" to God's benefit for
him
>> to provide us with it if he exists.
>>
>Science is materialist, thus limited and confined to natural occurrence
>and natural entities made up of matter, thus the scientific method has
>no capability to examine and study the unnatural; therefore there can be
>no solid, empirical evidence for Deity, since Deity does not consist of
>matter.
That's only one possibility, and one that I disbelieve. I believe if God
exists he has some material form, or forms. For all we know we ourselves are
part of it. There's no reason to believe God resides on the planet if he
exists.
That means from our pov he must necessarily reside somewhere in space. How far
away? In what sort of environment? How could we detect it? Would YOU expect him
to orbit our little shit world in a huge spacecraft that humans could approach?
Maybe with a huge airlock or even rows upon rows of airlocks welcoming humans
to
get up there and bother him 24/7? If he did, you can bet there would already be
regular flights into space with humans paying out the ass to go up there and
bother him non-stop with the flights booked solid. It might even result in
hotels on the moon where people could go and await their turn. If he really
wanted to make it easy for us he could put his craft in orbit around the moon,
to make it extra easy for people to go up there and bother him all the time....
But no. In fact he doesn't even give us actual proof of his existence. Why?
One possibility is that he doesn't exist at all. That's as far as you can go
with that one, so we're done with it. Another is that he knows it would change
things a whole lot if he did give proof of his existence. In fact HOW he
provided proof would be very significant as to how and how much things change.
Like if he got a virgin pregnant so she gave birth to "his son", then had the
lad grow up performing various miracles as evidence of the truth of it, and
then
die a most horrible death to drive the point home but also as an invitation for
people on Earth to experience a better life after this one is over, and then
HIMSELF be resurrected and move on to such an afterlife, it's very likely that
would change the world in significant ways. If he sent angels to suddenly
appear
to each of us individually--or even only one in 10, or 100, or 1000,
or....--and
the angel grabbed us and slammed us up against a wall, and grabbed our eyes out
blinding us shoving our eyes down our throat, then yelled in our ear that they
were sent from God who DOES EXIST and wants us to go to church every week and
give 10% of our income to the church or the angel will come back, then reaches
up our ass and pulls our eyes back out and replaces them miraculously giving
our
sight back, it's very likely that would change the world too.
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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