XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.talk.creationism
XPost: sci.skeptic
From: lunch@nofreelunch.us
On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:24:36 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>
wrote:
>On 10/9/2014 4:41 PM, August Rode wrote:
>> On 09/10/2014 4:02 PM, R.Dean wrote:
>>> On 10/8/2014 8:12 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 00:02:55 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/7/2014 9:12 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 22:45:46 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/6/2014 7:49 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 18:27:42 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/28/2014 9:05 PM, mur@.not. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:10:14 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:34:35 -0400, mur@.not. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 18:27:00 -0600, Uergil
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mur@.not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most that I've encountered try to claim they have no belief.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not believing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any gods exist can mean having no belief, or it could mean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believing no gods
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist. Even after making it clear they believe no gods exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many atheists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most atheists only SUSPECT that no gods exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No place(s) in the entire universe? Or just none
>>>>>>>>>>>> associated with this planet
>>>>>>>>>>>> or star system?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There are zero gods that are supported by evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Try to explain WHAT sort of evidence you think there
>>>>>>>>>> "should be", WHERE you
>>>>>>>>>> think it "should be", and WHY you think it "should be" to God's
>>>>>>>>>> benefit for him
>>>>>>>>>> to provide us with it if he exists.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Science is materialist, thus limited and confined to natural
>>>>>>>>> occurrence
>>>>>>>>> and natural entities made up of matter, thus the scientific
>>>>>>>>> method has
>>>>>>>>> no capability to examine and study the unnatural; therefore there
>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>> no solid, empirical evidence for Deity, since Deity does not
>>>>>>>>> consist of
>>>>>>>>> matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you are objecting that science doesn't accept bullshit that
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> make up and attribute to some god or other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I simply stated facts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Religious claims are not facts.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What about the above statement, in you opinion, does not portend facts?
>>>>
>>>> The idea that there a nonexistent things that can be studied.
>>>>
>>> By non existent things, you mean non-material.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure he meant nonexistent.
>>
>>> It's arrogance to assert
>>> there are no non-existent things,
>>
>> If you can demonstrate that any nonexistent thing exists, go for it.
> >
>A contradiction in terms - you demand evidence of the existence of
>non-existing things?
You claim they exist even though you also claim they don't.
>This is the equivalent of demanding funds in a
>non-existent bank account. This is demanding the impossible.
This is your problem. You need to demonstrate that your "non-material"
things are different from non-existent before you get to the next step.
>>> since by things we concede that such
>>> is made up of matter, and no Jews or Christians believe that deity
>>> consist of matter. So what you wrote has no significence to the
>>> christian, but for you, it's strictly self gratification.
>>
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