XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.talk.creationism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
   From: lunch@nofreelunch.us   
      
   On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 14:39:05 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>   
   wrote:   
      
   >On 10/10/2014 1:50 PM, August Rode wrote:   
   >> On 10/10/2014 11:24 AM, R.Dean wrote:   
   >>> On 10/9/2014 4:41 PM, August Rode wrote:   
   >>>> On 09/10/2014 4:02 PM, R.Dean wrote:   
   >>>>> On 10/8/2014 8:12 PM, Free Lunch wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 00:02:55 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>   
   >>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 10/7/2014 9:12 PM, Free Lunch wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 22:45:46 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>   
   >>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On 10/6/2014 7:49 PM, Free Lunch wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 18:27:42 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>   
   >>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 9/28/2014 9:05 PM, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:10:14 -0500, Free Lunch   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> .   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:34:35 -0400, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 18:27:00 -0600, Uergil    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article ,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mur@.not.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most that I've encountered try to claim they have no belief.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not believing   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any gods exist can mean having no belief, or it could mean   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believing no gods   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist. Even after making it clear they believe no gods exist   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many atheists   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most atheists only SUSPECT that no gods exist   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>        No place(s) in the entire universe? Or just none   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> associated with this planet   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or star system?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are zero gods that are supported by evidence.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>         Try to explain WHAT sort of evidence you think there   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> "should be", WHERE you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> think it "should be", and WHY you think it "should be" to God's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> benefit for him   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> to provide us with it if he exists.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Science is materialist, thus limited and confined to natural   
   >>>>>>>>>>> occurrence   
   >>>>>>>>>>> and natural entities made up of matter, thus the scientific   
   >>>>>>>>>>> method has   
   >>>>>>>>>>> no capability to examine and study the unnatural; therefore there   
   >>>>>>>>>>> can be   
   >>>>>>>>>>> no solid, empirical evidence for Deity, since Deity does not   
   >>>>>>>>>>> consist of   
   >>>>>>>>>>> matter.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> So you are objecting that science doesn't accept bullshit that   
   >>>>>>>>>> people   
   >>>>>>>>>> make up and attribute to some god or other.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I simply stated facts.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Religious claims are not facts.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> What about the above statement, in you opinion, does not portend   
   >>>>>>> facts?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> The idea that there a nonexistent things that can be studied.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> By non existent things, you mean non-material.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I'm pretty sure he meant nonexistent.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> It's arrogance to assert   
   >>>>> there are no non-existent things,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If you can demonstrate that any nonexistent thing exists, go for it.   
   >>>  >   
   >>> A contradiction in terms - you demand evidence of the existence of   
   >>> non-existing things? This is the equivalent of demanding funds in a   
   >>> non-existent bank account. This is demanding the impossible.   
   >>   
   >> Then why did you say, "It's arrogance to assert there are no   
   >> non-existent things"? The statement implies that you think that some   
   >> non-existent things exist which, as you've correctly pointed out, is a   
   >> contradiction in terms.   
   > >   
   >I think the continued use the term "non-existent" instead of   
   >"non-material" is arrogance, since non-existent does not apply where   
   >Christians are concerned. In my view, It's strictly an anti-religious   
   >proclivity.   
   >   
   Feel free to show us that non-material things are different from   
   non-existent things.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>>>> since by things we concede that such   
   >>>>> is made up of matter, and no Jews or Christians believe that deity   
   >>>>> consist of matter. So what you wrote has no significence to the   
   >>>>> christian, but for you, it's strictly self gratification.   
   >>   
      
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