XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.talk.creationism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
   From: Dean"@gmail.com   
      
   On 10/10/2014 3:33 PM, August Rode wrote:   
   > On 10/10/2014 2:39 PM, R.Dean wrote:   
   >> On 10/10/2014 1:50 PM, August Rode wrote:   
   >>> On 10/10/2014 11:24 AM, R.Dean wrote:   
   >>>> On 10/9/2014 4:41 PM, August Rode wrote:   
   >>>>> On 09/10/2014 4:02 PM, R.Dean wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 10/8/2014 8:12 PM, Free Lunch wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 00:02:55 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>   
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 10/7/2014 9:12 PM, Free Lunch wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 22:45:46 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>   
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 10/6/2014 7:49 PM, Free Lunch wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 18:27:42 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Dean"@gmail.com>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/28/2014 9:05 PM, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:10:14 -0500, Free Lunch   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> .   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:34:35 -0400, mur@.not. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 18:27:00 -0600, Uergil    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article ,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mur@.not.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most that I've encountered try to claim they have no   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> belief.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not believing   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any gods exist can mean having no belief, or it could mean   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believing no gods   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist. Even after making it clear they believe no gods   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many atheists   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most atheists only SUSPECT that no gods exist   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        No place(s) in the entire universe? Or just none   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> associated with this planet   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or star system?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are zero gods that are supported by evidence.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>         Try to explain WHAT sort of evidence you think there   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> "should be", WHERE you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> think it "should be", and WHY you think it "should be" to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> God's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit for him   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> to provide us with it if he exists.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Science is materialist, thus limited and confined to natural   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> occurrence   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> and natural entities made up of matter, thus the scientific   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> method has   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> no capability to examine and study the unnatural; therefore   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> there   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> can be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> no solid, empirical evidence for Deity, since Deity does not   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> consist of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> matter.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> So you are objecting that science doesn't accept bullshit that   
   >>>>>>>>>>> people   
   >>>>>>>>>>> make up and attribute to some god or other.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I simply stated facts.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Religious claims are not facts.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> What about the above statement, in you opinion, does not portend   
   >>>>>>>> facts?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The idea that there a nonexistent things that can be studied.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> By non existent things, you mean non-material.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I'm pretty sure he meant nonexistent.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> It's arrogance to assert   
   >>>>>> there are no non-existent things,   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> If you can demonstrate that any nonexistent thing exists, go for it.   
   >>>>  >   
   >>>> A contradiction in terms - you demand evidence of the existence of   
   >>>> non-existing things? This is the equivalent of demanding funds in a   
   >>>> non-existent bank account. This is demanding the impossible.   
   >>>   
   >>> Then why did you say, "It's arrogance to assert there are no   
   >>> non-existent things"? The statement implies that you think that some   
   >>> non-existent things exist which, as you've correctly pointed out, is a   
   >>> contradiction in terms.   
   >>  >   
   >> I think the continued use the term "non-existent" instead of   
   >> "non-material" is arrogance, since non-existent does not apply where   
   >> Christians are concerned.   
   >   
   > It doesn't? Surely either something exists or it doesn't, right?   
   > Believing that God exists doesn't automatically mean that God exists,   
   > right?   
   >   
   >> In my view, It's strictly an anti-religious   
   >> proclivity.   
   >   
   > In the same way that continuing to claim that God exists is a religious   
   > proclivity?   
   >   
   Who is this in reference to? Who _claims_ that God exist?   
    >   
   >>>>>> since by things we concede that such   
   >>>>>> is made up of matter, and no Jews or Christians believe that deity   
   >>>>>> consist of matter. So what you wrote has no significence to the   
   >>>>>> christian, but for you, it's strictly self gratification.   
   >   
      
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