XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.talk.creationism
XPost: sci.skeptic
From: Dean"@gmail.com
On 10/10/2014 8:48 PM, August Rode wrote:
> On 10/10/2014 6:52 PM, R.Dean wrote:
>> On 10/10/2014 3:33 PM, August Rode wrote:
>>> On 10/10/2014 2:39 PM, R.Dean wrote:
>>>> On 10/10/2014 1:50 PM, August Rode wrote:
>>>>> On 10/10/2014 11:24 AM, R.Dean wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/9/2014 4:41 PM, August Rode wrote:
>>>>>>> On 09/10/2014 4:02 PM, R.Dean wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 10/8/2014 8:12 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 00:02:55 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/7/2014 9:12 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 22:45:46 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R.
>>>>>>>>>>> Dean"@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/6/2014 7:49 PM, Free Lunch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 06 Oct 2014 18:27:42 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dean"@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/28/2014 9:05 PM, mur@.not. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:10:14 -0500, Free Lunch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 18:34:35 -0400, mur@.not. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 18:27:00 -0600, Uergil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mur@.not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most that I've encountered try to claim they have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> belief.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not believing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any gods exist can mean having no belief, or it could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believing no gods
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist. Even after making it clear they believe no gods
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many atheists
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Most atheists only SUSPECT that no gods exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No place(s) in the entire universe? Or just none
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> associated with this planet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or star system?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are zero gods that are supported by evidence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try to explain WHAT sort of evidence you think there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "should be", WHERE you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it "should be", and WHY you think it "should be" to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit for him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to provide us with it if he exists.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Science is materialist, thus limited and confined to natural
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occurrence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and natural entities made up of matter, thus the scientific
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> method has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no capability to examine and study the unnatural; therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no solid, empirical evidence for Deity, since Deity does not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consist of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you are objecting that science doesn't accept bullshit that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make up and attribute to some god or other.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I simply stated facts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Religious claims are not facts.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What about the above statement, in you opinion, does not portend
>>>>>>>>>> facts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The idea that there a nonexistent things that can be studied.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By non existent things, you mean non-material.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure he meant nonexistent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's arrogance to assert
>>>>>>>> there are no non-existent things,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you can demonstrate that any nonexistent thing exists, go for it.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> A contradiction in terms - you demand evidence of the existence of
>>>>>> non-existing things? This is the equivalent of demanding funds in a
>>>>>> non-existent bank account. This is demanding the impossible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then why did you say, "It's arrogance to assert there are no
>>>>> non-existent things"? The statement implies that you think that some
>>>>> non-existent things exist which, as you've correctly pointed out, is a
>>>>> contradiction in terms.
>>>> >
>>>> I think the continued use the term "non-existent" instead of
>>>> "non-material" is arrogance, since non-existent does not apply where
>>>> Christians are concerned.
>>>
>>> It doesn't? Surely either something exists or it doesn't, right?
>>> Believing that God exists doesn't automatically mean that God exists,
>>> right?
>
> Hmm... you don't seem to like answering questions. Is there a particular
> reason for that?
>
We've addressed this before. I've never _claimed_ it does. When you
demand natural explanations for everything how is this resolved?
>
>>>> In my view, It's strictly an anti-religious
>>>> proclivity.
>>>
>>> In the same way that continuing to claim that God exists is a religious
>>> proclivity?
>>>
>> Who is this in reference to? Who _claims_ that God exist?
>
> Unless I miss my guess, *all* Christians do. There's really not much
> reason to be a Christian if God doesn't exist, is there?
>
Christians _believe_ God exist. They cannot prove he does. It's a matter
primarily of faith.
>
>>>>>>>> since by things we concede that such
>>>>>>>> is made up of matter, and no Jews or Christians believe that deity
>>>>>>>> consist of matter. So what you wrote has no significence to the
>>>>>>>> christian, but for you, it's strictly self gratification.
>
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