XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.talk.creationism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
   From: lunch@nofreelunch.us   
      
   On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:13:53 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>   
   wrote:   
      
   >On 10/11/2014 7:08 PM, Free Lunch wrote:   
   >> On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 15:44:33 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>   
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 10/11/2014 12:23 PM, Free Lunch wrote:   
   >>>> On Fri, 10 Oct 2014 23:06:14 -0400, "R.Dean" <"R. Dean"@gmail.com>   
   >>>> wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On 10/10/2014 8:48 PM, August Rode wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 10/10/2014 6:52 PM, R.Dean wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 10/10/2014 3:33 PM, August Rode wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 10/10/2014 2:39 PM, R.Dean wrote:   
   >>>> ...   
   >>>>>>>>> I think the continued use the term "non-existent" instead of   
   >>>>>>>>> "non-material" is arrogance, since non-existent does not apply where   
   >>>>>>>>> Christians are concerned.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It doesn't? Surely either something exists or it doesn't, right?   
   >>>>>>>> Believing that God exists doesn't automatically mean that God exists,   
   >>>>>>>> right?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Hmm... you don't seem to like answering questions. Is there a particular   
   >>>>>> reason for that?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> We've addressed this before. I've never _claimed_ it does. When you   
   >>>>> demand natural explanations for everything how is this resolved?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You'll need to show us what other explanations exist and how they work.   
   >>>>   
   >>> When you will accept nothing,  but naturalistic explanations, It seems   
   >>> you are not open to other explanations. But that's fine, it's your   
   >>> right.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> In my view, It's strictly an anti-religious   
   >>>>>>>>> proclivity.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> In the same way that continuing to claim that God exists is a   
   religious   
   >>>>>>>> proclivity?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Who is this in reference to? Who _claims_ that God exist?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Unless I miss my guess, *all* Christians do. There's really not much   
   >>>>>> reason to be a Christian if God doesn't exist, is there?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> Christians _believe_ God exist. They cannot prove he does. It's a matter   
   >>>>> primarily of faith.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Why do so many of them insist that we believe what they know they cannot   
   >>>> back up?   
   >>>>   
   >>> Maybe a few fundamentalist try, but the mainstream denominations don't   
   >>> usually bother. They do not send missionaries to the western world.   
   >>>   
   >> As long as the fundamentalists are not condemned as heretics by the   
   >> mainstream, the fundies feel empowered. The religion doesn't matter.   
   >> Fundy Christians are no better than the Islamic State.   
   > >   
   >Islamic State? That would be Isis. I don't see Fundy Christian marching   
   >into cities and slaughtering people. I've yet to see a Christian suicide   
   >bomber, nor have I heard of a Fundy Christian who beheaded another   
      
   Take some history lessons. The fact that fundies these days don't kill   
   anyone but abortion providers and poor black men has more to do with the   
   fact that they have been marginalized by society than their lack of   
   desire to do what fundies in power have always done.   
      
   >person. While Fundy Christians send missionaries into Africa, and other   
   >places, they do not demand "convert or die".   
      
   More history that you do not know. Europe's Wars among the Christians   
   were fought through most of Europe for a couple of hundred years. The   
   end result was that Christianity lost almost all political power because   
   it proved itself so willing to kill.   
      
   >In a Christian land you can   
   >criticize Christianity, Jesus Christ, or the Pope   
   >with no fear being killed. But you will not criticize the Islamic   
   >Prophet in an Islamic State with equal impunity.   
      
   Again, you make excuses for your ignorance of history.   
      
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