XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism, alt.talk.creationism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
   From: me@nothere.biz   
      
   On 21-November-2014 11:16 PM, Malte Runz wrote:   
      
   > "felix_unger"  skrev i meddelelsen   
   > news:ccq1s3Fj47oU1@mid.individual.net...   
   >>   
   >> On 16-November-2014 12:21 AM, Malte Runz wrote:   
   >> > "felix_unger" skrev i meddelelsen >   
   >> news:ccns2oF1jdgU1@mid.individual.net...   
   >   
   > (snip)   
   >   
   > For a while I thought fuck it, this is getting tiresome, and he'll   
   > call a blob 'evidence of alien UFO's' no matter what. 'A miracle is   
   > evidence of God even if we know that the miracle never happened.'   
   >   
   > But then I got pissed off again. That little piece of shite had   
   > actually said this:   
   >   
   >> >> >> ... like the fact that you lie ...   
   >   
   > You said that it is a fact that I'm a liar, but you refused to back it   
   > up. If it's "a fact" then you can prove it, right, but you didn't even   
   > try.   
      
   no I didn't because I didn't want to continue the dialogue. and I can't   
   remember what I was alluding to anyway, but if it will make your day I   
   will withdraw calling you a liar, and re-categorize your remarks   
   (whatever they were that I had in mind) as a unintentional   
   misinterpretation or misrepresentation of the facts. and there's even an   
   example above.. 'A miracle is evidence of God even if we know that the   
   miracle never happened.' I've never said any such thing, nor would I, as   
   it's a distortion of my position on the matter.   
      
      
   > You know what that makes you?   
   >   
   > You also said this about me:   
   >   
   >> >> >> make contradictory remarks about what you yourself believe ...   
      
   I was referring to some quotes that mur posted   
      
   >   
   > Again, you failed to back it up, which would be the easiest thing in   
   > the world. Quote me, and make me look bad. But you didn't and I can   
   > only interpret that one way:   
   >   
   > You're the liar, and you know you're lying. You lied, because I had   
   > hammered you into a corner where you had to accept drawings of Dog   
   > Heads, grainy images of thrown hubcaps and old unsubstantiated tales   
   > of miraculous healing of the blind, as bona fide evidence. Why you let   
   > it happen I don't know, and I gave you every chance in the World to   
   > back out, but you insisted, again and again, on making yourself look   
   > like a complete dick.   
   >   
   > You went further and threw another piece against the wall that didn't   
   > stick:   
   >   
   >> >> you don't address what I actually say.   
      
   you respond to your interpretation of what I say   
      
   >   
   > Really! My original reaction follows below.   
   >   
   >   
   >> > This is beyond silly. I do nothing but address your very words,   
   >> follow > and   
   >> > read your links, quote from them and ask you to comment, draw   
   >> parallels,   
   >> > come up with allegories, put your arguments into perspective, describe   
   >> > possible outcomes and on and on. I sink my teath into your   
   >> arguments and   
   >> > don't let go until you respond. You know it's what I do. You say that   
   >> > completely unsubstantiated tales from 1858 of healed hands is   
   >> evidence > of   
   >> > miracles and therefor evidence of the existence of God. I've   
   >> addressed > that   
   >> > countless times, but you refuse to go into details. 'I argue in >   
   >> principles   
   >> > only', you say. I've put every principle you promote under the >   
   >> microscope   
   >> > and made you look at it. I can't help it if it makes you squirm.   
   >> 'Tales > of   
   >> > miracles are evidence of God even if the miracles never really >   
   >> happened'.   
   >> > Hell, I'm starting to get a little pale around the gills myself.   
   >   
   > And you had no reply, of course. I could go into further details about   
   > all the questions and replies that you have ignored. But knowing you,   
   > as the intellectual lazy coward you are,   
      
   I'm not here to do your bidding. I don't care if you don't like the fact   
   that I lack the interest to engage you. I told you why I don't bother   
   with you anymore, remember?..   
      
   "..I have given up on discussing this with you. I've explained my   
   position as clearly as I can. I can't do any better. I've explained that   
   when considering any proposition we look at what evidence exists in   
   toto; and I've explained what evidence is, that evidence can be false,   
   and that it doesn't have to be proof of anything. your problem is that   
   you can't see the forest for the trees. you look at one dead tree and   
   say no living forest can exist! I don't have the time, nor interest   
   quite frankly, to address everything you put to me; so since you don't   
   agree with what I say, we shall just have to agree to disagree. I know   
   however that most ppl, and that would exclude atheists, would agree that   
   there is evidence for the examples we have discussed. It's CALLED   
   evidence FFS!"   
      
   we're just too far apart in our thinking and understanding to have any   
   worthwhile dialogue. you just don't get what I say, disagree completely,   
   or misinterpret and misrepresent it.   
      
   > I realize that it'll yield nothing.   
   >   
   >   
   >> I do appreciate your input, ...   
   >   
   > And a slimy hypocrite as well.   
   >   
   > Damn, I'm feeling a whole lot better now.   
      
   good, I'm glad!   
      
   > Have a really shitty weekend!   
   >   
   >   
      
   I shall do my very best not to.   
      
   --   
   rgds,   
      
   Pete   
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