XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.atheism, alt.talk.creationism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
   From: nospam@here.thanks   
      
   On 20/12/2014 07:38, mur.@.not. wrote:   
   > On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 14:05:52 +1030, Anony Mouse  wrote:   
      
   >   
   >> You were given a link to a demonstration. That   
   >> is a necessary and sufficient condition to demonstrate that crop circles   
   >> are likely to be human made,   
   >   
   >      It shows that some of them are human made. It's amusing that you believe   
   > artificial flowers are evidence that actual flowers don't exist, etc, or   
   that if   
   > you truly don't believe that you're trying to get me to believe it.   
   > LOL....hilarious!!!   
   >   
      
   You see, this is where your logic all goes wrong.   
   We do not believe that artificial flowers are evidence that actual   
   flowers don't exist- that is simply an unsupported projection, the kind   
   of unsupported projection which is made by people who think aliens make   
   crop circles without any evidence of it happening.   
   What we do believe is that artificial flowers exist and are man made-   
   all that is needed is to visit an artificial flower factory for proof,   
   and we believe that actual flowers exist- all that is needed to prove   
   that is to plant one and grow one.   
   You may well claim that artificial flowers are not made, but are shot   
   out of the arse of a ten foot striped pantomime horse from the planet   
   Venus into a secret government facility every day, where they are sold   
   to fund wars against smaller countries.   
   Now that's a pretty wild claim, isn't it?   
   But given the absence of any other demonstrated mechanism, it would be   
   difficult for you to support that claim, wouldn't it?   
   You can't make the claim, "Just because some flowers are artificially   
   made, it doesn't mean that all of them are, then go on to suggest that   
   some of them could be anally produced by impossible and unlikely   
   creatures for which there is no reliable evidence of their existence.   
   Just because you believe that for some crop circles there is no other   
   evidence for their existence except alien visitation or previously   
   unknown freak weather patterns or whatever other belief you currently   
   hold, it does not naturally follow that your assumption is correct.   
   In other words, you observe nothing and from that make fantastical   
   claims, even when there is a simple explanation for it available.   
   Carl Sagan neatly demonstrated this principle when he spoke of early   
   observations of the planet Venus, and because the surface was   
   unobservable, some people concluded it was infested with dinosaurs.   
   It might help your understanding of this principle if you watched it.   
      
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj5A0rKI0Ag   
      
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