XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.talk.creationism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
   From: lunch@nofreelunch.us   
      
   On Thu, 01 Jan 2015 23:15:46 -0500, mur.@.not. wrote:   
      
   >On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:02:04 +1100, felix_unger  wrote:   
   >.   
   >>On 30-December-2014 1:27 PM, Malte Runz wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> "felix_unger"  skrev i meddelelsen   
   >>> news:cgdpvbFdtgnU1@mid.individual.net...   
   >>>   
   >>> (snip)   
   >>>   
   >>>> ... atheists cannot prove God does not exist, you can only believe it   
   >>>> to be the case, and so you have faith that belief is correct.   
   >>>   
   >>> And so do you, have faith, when you believe in the non-existence of   
   >>> invisible pink unicorns in a parallel universe, right?   
   >>   
   >>I have faith (confidence) in a belief that such a proposition is   
   >>nonsense is true   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> I don't believe we're all brains soaking in pods in a matrix, either,   
   >>> even if I can't prove it, and it doesn't take faith to not believe it.   
   >>> I live my life, as if we aren't 'soakers' and as if there are no gods.   
   >>> All three possibilites are equally absurd, and to make it a question   
   >>> about faith shows a lack of understanding.   
   >>>   
   >>> But... why can't you and so many of the, openly, theistic minded,   
   >>> understand that it does not take faith to not believe in something,   
   >>> which takes faith to have belief in the existence of?   
   >>   
   >>it doesn't take faith to not believe, but it takes faith to believe that   
   >>a belief is correct/true. ie.. one has faith that ones belief is   
   >>correct. Is it not so?   
   >   
   >    It's not only so, but obviously so. In fact it's SO obvious it seems even   
   >atheists should be able to comprehend. Why they can't comprehend is what's in   
   >question, not the truth of the obvious fact you pointed out for them.   
      
   All things that actually are obviously true can also be shown to be   
   true. Merely asserting that something is obviously true when you are   
   unable to show that it is true shows us that you appear to know you are   
   wrong or have no idea how logic and evidence work.   
      
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