XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.talk.creationism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
   From: lunch@nofreelunch.us   
      
   On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:58:17 -0500, mur.@.not. wrote:   
      
   >On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 11:01:49 -0700, Virgil  wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 10:42:41 -0600, Free Lunch  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>On Thu, 01 Jan 2015 23:15:46 -0500, mur.@.not. wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>On Tue, 30 Dec 2014 14:02:04 +1100, felix_unger  wrote:   
   >>>>.   
   >>>>>On 30-December-2014 1:27 PM, Malte Runz wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> "felix_unger"  skrev i meddelelsen   
   >>>>>> news:cgdpvbFdtgnU1@mid.individual.net...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> (snip)   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> ... atheists cannot prove God does not exist, you can only believe it   
   >>>>>>> to be the case, and so you have faith that belief is correct.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> And so do you, have faith, when you believe in the non-existence of   
   >>>>>> invisible pink unicorns in a parallel universe, right?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>I have faith (confidence) in a belief that such a proposition is   
   >>>>>nonsense is true   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I don't believe we're all brains soaking in pods in a matrix, either,   
   >>>>>> even if I can't prove it, and it doesn't take faith to not believe it.   
   >>>>>> I live my life, as if we aren't 'soakers' and as if there are no gods.   
   >>>>>> All three possibilites are equally absurd, and to make it a question   
   >>>>>> about faith shows a lack of understanding.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> But... why can't you and so many of the, openly, theistic minded,   
   >>>>>> understand that it does not take faith to not believe in something,   
   >>>>>> which takes faith to have belief in the existence of?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>it doesn't take faith to not believe, but it takes faith to believe that   
   >>>>>a belief is correct/true. ie.. one has faith that ones belief is   
   >>>>>correct. Is it not so?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    It's not only so, but obviously so. In fact it's SO obvious it seems   
   even   
   >>>>atheists should be able to comprehend. Why they can't comprehend is what's   
   in   
   >>>>question, not the truth of the obvious fact you pointed out for them.   
   >>>   
   >>>All things that actually are obviously true can also be shown to be   
   >>>true. Merely asserting that something is obviously true when you are   
   >>>unable to show that it is true shows us that you appear to know you are   
   >>>wrong or have no idea how logic and evidence work.   
   >>   
   >>That is a statement of faith, but not necessarily of fact!   
   >   
   >    It's very common for atheists to be ashamed of their faith. Some of them   
   are   
   >ashamed of their faith in everything they have faith in.   
   >   
   >>Unless  in addition to claiming it to be true you can prove it to be   
   >>true!   
   >   
   >     In this particular example he would have to prove that people can   
   believe a   
   >belief is correct without having any faith that the belief is correct. Just   
   >describing the position he's in is amusing. Seeing him try to support it might   
   >be even more amusing.   
      
   Do you claim that religious beliefs are not correct?   
      
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