XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.talk.creationism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
   From: malte_runz@forgitit.dk   
      
   "felix_unger"  skrev i meddelelsen news:cgeitjFjt09U1@mid.individual.net...   
   >   
   > On 30-December-2014 1:27 PM, Malte Runz wrote:   
   >   
   > > "felix_unger"  skrev i meddelelsen   
   > > news:cgdpvbFdtgnU1@mid.individual.net...   
   > >   
   > > (snip)   
   > >   
   > >> ... atheists cannot prove God does not exist, you can only believe it   
   > >> to be the case, and so you have faith that belief is correct.   
   > >   
   > > And so do you, have faith, when you believe in the non-existence of   
   > > invisible pink unicorns in a parallel universe, right?   
   >   
   > I have faith (confidence) in a belief that such a proposition is nonsense   
   > is true   
      
   And I have confidence that there are no gods. Now, would you say that a   
   theist also has "confidence" in the existence of a particular god? Or is his   
   faith different from the 'faith=confidence'?   
      
   >   
   > >   
   > > I don't believe we're all brains soaking in pods in a matrix, either,   
   > > even if I can't prove it, and it doesn't take faith to not believe it. I   
   > > live my life, as if we aren't 'soakers' and as if there are no gods. All   
   > > three possibilites are equally absurd, and to make it a question about   
   > > faith shows a lack of understanding.   
   > >   
   > > But... why can't you and so many of the, openly, theistic minded,   
   > > understand that it does not take faith to not believe in something,   
   > > which takes faith to have belief in the existence of?   
   >   
   > it doesn't take faith to not believe, ...   
      
   So lack of belief in gods doesn't take faith. Great.   
      
      
   > ... but it takes faith to believe that a belief is correct/true.   
      
   You believe that it is true that there are no pink invisible unicorns. Is   
   your belief utterly faithbased or are you letting a little sliver of   
   rational thinking creep in and help you form an opinion?   
      
      
   > ... ie.. one has faith that ones belief is correct. Is it not so?   
      
   I believe that a tiger will not appear out of the blue in my bathroom when I   
   go to brush my teeth. It is not a question of faith. I believe that the   
   airplane, I'm sitting in, will take off and fly me to my destination. No   
   faith needed there, either.  Call it 'faith=confidence' if you like, but   
   don't equate it with the faith of the theist that there is a god.   
      
      
      
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