XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.talk.creationism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
   From: malte_runz@forgitit.dk   
      
   "felix_unger"  skrev i meddelelsen news:chlvn2Ftg07U1@mid.individual.net...   
   >   
   > On 14-January-2015 9:58 AM, grabber wrote:   
      
   (snip)   
      
   > > So when Malte says: "Call it 'faith=confidence' if you like, but don't   
   > > equate it with the faith of the theist that there is a god", he is   
   > > alerting you to the possibility that you and he may intend different   
   > > things by "faith".   
   > >   
   > > And then when you say, in response, that "I don't understand what you   
   > > mean. faith is faith", it seems that you wish to wilfully ignore this   
   > > distinction. Why would you want to do this?   
   >   
   > because there isn't one. faith is faith. it's only a matter of how much   
   > is required to sustain a belief.. a little or a lot.   
      
   Belief is operative word here. From an unanswered post:   
      
   ***   
   > > And I have confidence that there are no gods. Now, would you say that a   
   > > theist also has "confidence" in the existence of a particular god?   
   >   
   > of course. religious belief is based on faith not proof.   
      
      
   What would you call belief based on 'proof', so I can refer to that type of   
   belief in the future? (By 'proof' I mean 'overwhelming scientific   
   evidence'.)   
   ***   
      
   And there was more:   
      
   ***   
   > > You believe that it is true that there are no pink invisible unicorns.   
   > > Is your belief utterly faithbased or are you letting a little sliver of   
   > > rational thinking creep in and help you form an opinion?   
   >   
   > it's both faith and reason, but in this case 99.9% reason   
      
   Do you have an example of a belief that is 99.9% faith (again for future   
   reference)?   
   ***   
      
   So, whataya say?   
      
   (snip)   
      
   > >> because I NEVER said tigers roam wild in Africa.   
   > >   
   > > "if your bathroom were in a thatched bungalow in the African jungle,   
   > > where tigers are know to roam, that had only open unglazed windows,   
   > > you would need to have a great deal more faith that any such belief   
   > > was correct."   
   >   
   > I've already explained it   
      
   He was just being clever!   
      
      
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   Malte Runz   
      
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