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   On Sat, 10 Jan 2015 19:30:31 -0600, Free Lunch  wrote:   
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   >On Sun, 11 Jan 2015 11:53:28 +1100, felix_unger  wrote:   
   >   
   >>On 11-January-2015 5:11 AM, mur.@.not. wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 14:49:22 -0600, Free Lunch    
   wrote:   
   >>> ..   
   >>>> On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 12:48:47 -0500, mur.@.not. wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Fri, 02 Jan 2015 10:35:21 -0600, Free Lunch    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Thu, 01 Jan 2015 23:15:38 -0500, mur.@.not. wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 10:23:45 -0600, Free Lunch    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>> .   
   >>>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 07:44:26 -0500, mur.@.not. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> ...   
   >>>>>>>>>     No. If there is a designer then it's pretty obvious that he made   
   use of the   
   >>>>>>>>> evolutionary method of developing life on this planet, even though   
   we can't jump   
   >>>>>>>>> in the "lab" with him and see exactly how he went about making it   
   take place.   
   >>>>>>>>> That's one of the basic starting lines atheists are unable to get as   
   "far" as.   
   >>>>>>>>> Can you?   
   >>>>>>>> Show us your evidence that a designer did something. As far as I can   
   >>>>>>>> tell, your argument is that science is right, but that you want to   
   add a   
   >>>>>>>> designer that you have absolutely no evidence for, a designer that is   
   >>>>>>>> indistinguishable from nothing   
   >>>>>>>     Yet WE have no reason to believe the proof you demand should be   
   available to   
   >>>>>>> humans, much less do any of us have any idea what you're imaginig it   
   should be,   
   >>>>>>> or where it should be, or why it should be available to us, or when it   
   should   
   >>>>>>> have been or should be made available. Your supposed criticism means   
   NOTHING,   
   >>>>>>> and you can't even pretend it does mean anything as you consistently   
   prove every   
   >>>>>>> time you're challenged on it.   
   >>>>>> I never demand proof. I ask for evidence.   
   >>>>>     YOU ARE evidence.   
   >>>> You keep making that foolish claim. Repeating it ten thousand times will   
   >>>> not make it true.   
   >>>      Pointing out that I keep pointing it out won't make the fact stop   
   being   
   >>> true. Nothing will or can make it stop being true, in fact.   
   >>   
   >>his claim that it's untrue (whether it is or not) does not make it   
   >>untrue, just as his claim of 'no evidence' for God does not make any   
   >>evidence disappear!   
   >   
   >My claim is that your religious claims are all unsubstantiated.   
      
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