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   XPost: sci.skeptic   
      
   On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:37:10 +0100, Chicken wrote:   
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   >"felix_unger"  skrev i meddelelsen news:chlvn2Ftg07U1@mid.individual.net...   
   >>   
   >> On 14-January-2015 9:58 AM, grabber wrote:   
   >   
   >(snip)   
   >   
   >> > So when Malte says: "Call it 'faith=confidence' if you like, but don't   
   >> > equate it with the faith of the theist that there is a god", he is   
   >> > alerting you to the possibility that you and he may intend different   
   >> > things by "faith".   
   >> >   
   >> > And then when you say, in response, that "I don't understand what you   
   >> > mean. faith is faith", it seems that you wish to wilfully ignore this   
   >> > distinction. Why would you want to do this?   
   >>   
   >> because there isn't one. faith is faith. it's only a matter of how much   
   >> is required to sustain a belief.. a little or a lot.   
   >   
   >Belief is operative word here. From an unanswered post:   
   >   
   >***   
   >> > And I have confidence that there are no gods.   
      
       How strong is your faith that your guess about that is correct? Or are you   
   too ashamed to admit how strong it is?   
      
   >> >Now, would you say that a   
   >> > theist also has "confidence" in the existence of a particular god?   
   >>   
   >> of course. religious belief is based on faith not proof.   
   >   
   >   
   >What would you call belief based on 'proof', so I can refer to that type of   
   >belief in the future?   
      
       This easy aspect is apparently beyond your mental ability, but faith is   
   faith. Regardless of how a person acquires it, faith is still faith. For you   
   that's too dificult to comprehend. To other people it's so obvious it's easy to   
   comprehend. What's in question here is what prevents you from being able to   
   comprehend.   
      
   >(By 'proof' I mean 'overwhelming scientific   
   >evidence'.)   
   >***   
   >   
   >And there was more:   
   >   
   >***   
   >> > You believe that it is true that there are no pink invisible unicorns.   
   >> > Is your belief utterly faithbased or are you letting a little sliver of   
   >> > rational thinking creep in and help you form an opinion?   
   >>   
   >> it's both faith and reason, but in this case 99.9% reason   
   >   
   >Do you have an example of a belief that is 99.9% faith (again for future   
   >reference)?   
      
       Here are some exampleS from my notes that seem more like 100% faith:   
      
   "There is no god." - Malte Runz   
      
   "I showed an example of evidence that proves god does not exist." - Malte Runz   
      
   "all gods are human inventions" - Free Lunch   
      
   "The gods of the theists who bother us here don't exist, even in non-god form."   
   - Free Lunch   
      
   "As I said .. if the evidence is NOT where it should be if the proposition   
   were true, then means the proposition is not true.  It is simple and   
   undeniable logic." - "Wizard-Of-Oz"   
      
   "I showed an example of evidence that proves god does not exist." -   
   "Wizard-Of-Oz"   
      
   "if he did something then what he did would be detectable." - "Wizard-Of-Oz"   
      
   "Well, there you have it, a proof that god does not exist." - Olrik   
      
   "If a god really existed there would be no reason to have 'evidence' of his   
   existence. It would be apparent to all. No need to question because all sorts   
   of   
   magical events would be common place." - knight@baawa.com   
      
   "yes I do know that there is no god." - bilgat@m.nu   
      
   "The easies way to know for a 100% fact that god does not exist is to not be a   
   moron. Thats   
   it. it is as simple as that." - bilgat@m.nu   
      
   "If a person can not say with 100% clarity   
   that they know that there is no god that there will never be a god and   
   there has never been a god, then that person is NOT an atheist." - bilgat@m.nu   
      
   "Just as You know that superman does not exist I can   
   tell you with the same assuredness that god does not exist" - bilgat@m.nu   
      
   "if you are reffering to the fact that I know there is no god" - bilgat@m.nu   
      
   "I have admitted numerous times that I *KNOW* there is not god. On this planet   
   or any others for that matter." - bilgat@m.nu   
      
   "I myself as an anti theist in fact {know} there is no god." - bilgat@m.nu   
      
   "Atheists know that there is no god except the one that has formed out of   
   delusion that only lives inside your head." - bilgat@m.nu   
      
   "yes I do know that god is not and never was and never will be   
   anything other than a figment from those whom are less educated and/or   
   much more stupid" - bilgat@m.nu   
      
   "Oh actually I can explain exctaly how I know.. And I can even explain   
   how I found out." - bilgat@m.nu   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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