XPost: alt.agnosticism, alt.athiesm, alt.talk.creationism   
   XPost: sci.skeptic   
   From: lunch@nofreelunch.us   
      
   On Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:07:41 -0500, mur wrote:   
      
   >On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 22:58:09 +0000, grabber  wrote:   
   >.   
   >>On 13/01/2015 00:06, felix_unger wrote:   
   ...   
   >>> I know you think you're being clever,   
   >>   
   >>No, I don't think it takes any particular cleverness to establish shared   
   >>understandings of the words you're using in a discussion; what's in   
   >>question is why you would want to go out of your way to resist gaining   
   >>any such understanding.   
   >   
   >    No, that's not what's in question at all. He's apparently aware that faith   
   >is faith, and it seems he's also aware that faith is faith REGARDLESS OF how a   
   >person comes to have faith in something. It also appears that he's not stupid   
   >enough to be somehow tricked into unlearning...LOL...which you amusingly   
   though   
   >dishonestly refer to as "understanding". Hilarious!   
   >   
   >>So when Malte says: "Call it 'faith=confidence' if you like, but don't   
   >>equate it with the faith of the theist that there is a god", he is   
   >>alerting you to the possibility that you and he may intend different   
   >>things by "faith".   
   >   
   >    He's trying to get away with a dishonest trick. What he thinks he could   
   gain   
   >by it is what's in question, so, what do YOU think he could gain if he could   
   >fool felix into believing faith is not faith? LOL...sometimes just ASKING   
   about   
   >the atheist position is hilarious...but try to answer the question if you   
   >possibly can make an attempt.   
   >   
   >>And then when you say, in response, that "I don't understand what you   
   >>mean. faith is faith", it seems that you wish to wilfully ignore this   
   >>distinction. Why would you want to do this?   
   >   
   >    There isn't one. Chicken is dishonestly trying to impose one where it   
   >doesn't exist because he's ashamed of his own faith in probably everything he   
   >has faith in. You probably are too. If you're not, then let us know some of   
   the   
   >things you have faith in that you're not ashamed of having faith in.   
      
   There are varied uses of the word faith, trying to equate the meanings   
   is a fool's errand. It's a shame there are so many theist fools here.   
      
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