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   On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 23:50:52 +0000 (UTC), abelincoln ___O___ wrote:   
      
   > Without their revisionist lies, today's extreme radical kooky   
   > right has nothing.   
   >   
   > Fascism, Nazism and Conservatism   
   >   
   > European fascism drew on existing anti-modernist   
   > conservatism, and on the conservative reaction to communism   
   > and 19th-century socialism. Conservative thinkers such as   
   > historian Oswald Spengler provided much of the world view   
   > (Weltanschauung) of the Nazi movement.   
   >   
   > In Britain, the conservative Daily Mail enthusiastically   
   > backed Sir Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists, and   
   > part of the Conservative Party supported closer ties with   
   > Nazi Germany.   
   >   
   > When defeat in World War II ideologically and historically   
   > discredited fascism, almost all Western conservatives tried   
   > to distance themselves from it. Nevertheless, many post-war   
   > Western conservatives continued to admire the Franco regime   
   > in Spain, clearly conservative but also fascist in origin.   
   > With the end of the Franco regime and Portugal's Estado Novo   
   > in the 1970s, the relationship between conservatism and   
   > classical European fascism was further weakened.   
   >   
   > Militarism is perhaps the most striking similarity between   
   > Fascism and contemporary American conservatism. Of course,   
   > there are many liberals in America who support the military   
   > and even call for increased military spending.   
   >   
   > Even so, American liberals are traditionally more skeptical   
   > of the military than American conservatives. It is often said   
   > that Neoconservatives, like Hitler, see the military as a   
   > paradigm for problem solving (even in situations that may   
   > render militarism impractical or unethical).   
   >   
   > The relationship of fascism to right-wing ideologies   
   > (including some that are described as neo-fascist) is still   
   > an issue for conservatives and their opponents. Especially in   
   > Germany, there is a constant exchange of ideology and   
   > persons, between the influential national-conservative   
   > movement, and self-identified national-socialist groups. In   
   > Italy too, there is no clear line between conservatives, and   
   > movements inspired by the Italian Fascism of the 1920s to   
   > 1940s, including the Alleanza Nazionale which is member of   
   > the governing coalition under premier Silvio Berlusconi.   
   > Conservative attitudes to the 20th-century fascist regimes   
   > are still an issue.   
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   > Under an ideological definition of Socialism, for example one   
   > stating that only a system adhering to the principles of   
   > Marxism can qualify as socialist there is a well-defined gap   
   > between Nazism and socialism. Nazi leaders were opposed to   
   > the Marxist idea of class conflict and opposed the idea that   
   > capitalism should be abolished and that workers should   
   > control the means of production. For those who consider class   
   > conflict and the abolition of capitalism as essential   
   > components of socialism, these factors alone are sufficient   
   > to categorize "National Socialism" as non-socialist.   
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   > For socialists who consider democracy a core tenet of   
   > socialism, Nazism is often seen as a polar opposite of their   
   > views. Primo Levi argued that there was an important   
   > distinction between the policies of Nazi Germany and those of   
   > the Soviet Union or the People's Republic of China: while   
   > they were all arguably totalitarian, and all had their idea   
   > of what kind of parasitic classes or races society ought to   
   > be rid of, Levi saw the Nazis assigning a place given by   
   > birth (since one is born into a certain race), while the   
   > Soviets and Chinese determined their enemies according to   
   > their social position (which people may change within their   
   > life). There are many other philosophical differences between   
   > Nazism and Marxism. There were ideological shades of opinion   
   > within the Nazi Party, particularly before their seizure of   
   > power in 1933, but a central tenet of the party was always   
   > the leader principle or Führerprinzip. The Nazi Party did not   
   > have party congresses in which policy was deliberated upon   
   > and concessions made to different factions. What mattered   
   > most was what the leader, Adolf Hitler, thought and decreed.   
   > Those who held opinions which were at variance with Hitler's   
   > either learned to keep quiet or were purged, particularly   
   > after 1933. This is compared to the behavior of certain   
   > Communist states such as that of Stalin in the Soviet Union   
   > or Mao Zedong in China. Critics of this view point out that   
   > Mussolini imprisoned Antonio Gramsci from 1926 until 1934,   
   > after Gramsci, a leader of the Italian Communist Party and   
   > leading Marxist intellectual, tried to create a common front   
   > among the political left and the workers, in order to resist   
   > and overthrow fascism. Other Italian Communist leaders like   
   > Palmiro Togliatti went into exile and fought for the Republic   
   > in Spain.   
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   > The 2000 book, Right-Wing Populism in America, details its   
   > history from Bacon's Rebellion to the Ku Klux Klan to the   
   > modern-day Posse Comitatus and militia/Patriot movements.   
   > What distinguishes these populists from their left-wing   
   > counterparts, as Berlet explains, is that "they combine   
   > attacks on socially oppressed groups with grassroots mass   
   > mobilization and distorted forms of antielitism based on   
   > scapegoating." Other notorious right wing figures in 20th   
   > century history include Father Charles Coughlin, the rabid   
   > anti-Semitic radio talker of the 1930s, and Sen. Joe   
   > McCarthy.   
   >   
   > Beyond the Klan, there were the Silver Shirts, the American   
   > Nazi Party, the Posse Comitatus, the Aryan Nations, or the   
   > National Alliance -- all of them openly right wing fascist   
   > organizations, many of them involved in some of the nation's   
   > most horrific historical events. (The Oklahoma City bombing,   
   > for instance), then there was William Dudley Pelley, Gerald   
   > L.K.Smith, George Lincoln Rockwell, William Potter Gale,   
   > Richard Butler, and David Duke -- all of them bona fide right   
   > wing racists and fascists.   
   >   
   >   
   > "the Left" were the people who were beaten and murdered in   
   > the 1920s by the squadristi and the Brownshirts; and the   
   > first Germans sent off to Nazi concentration camps like   
   > Dachau were not Jews but socialists, communists, and other   
   > left-wing political prisoners, including "liberal" priests   
   > and clerics.   
   >   
   > Then why did the Nazis HATE Marxism, Communism, and   
   > Socialism? Just how uneducated do you Conservative   
      
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