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From: xxxrayted@aol.com
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Ignorant Fox News Rightist wrote:
> Americans Less Likely to Survive Treatment
>
> According to Woolhandler, by looking at already ill patients, the
> researchers eliminated any Canadian lifestyle advantage and just examined
> the degree to which the two systems affected patient deaths. (Mortality
> was the one kind of data they could extract from a disparate pool of 38
> papers examining everything from kidney failure to rheumatoid arthritis.)
>
> Overall, the results favored Canadians, who were 5 percent less likely
> than Americans to die in the course of treatment. Some disorders, such as
> kidney failure, favored Canadians more strongly than Americans, whereas
> others, such as hip fracture, had slightly better outcomes in the U.S.
> than in Canada. Of the 38 studies the authors surveyed, which were
> winnowed down from a pool of thousands, 14 favored Canada, five the U.S.,
> and 19 yielded mixed results.
This may be true, however, you are way more likely to survive the number
one killer in the US--cancer. I would think that the most deadly
condition should be a greater consideration. Canada still uses cancer
treatments that the US got rid of 15 years ago because we use better
things now.
>
> Money Doesn't Necessarily Buy Health
>
> The study's authors highlight the fact that per capita spending on health
> care is 89 percent higher in the U.S. than in Canada. "One thing that
> people generally know is that the administration costs are much higher in
> the U.S.," Groome notes. Indeed, one study by Woolhandler published in The
> New England Journal of Medicine in 2003 found that 31 percent of spending
> on health care in the U.S. went to administrative costs, whereas Canada
> spent only 17 percent on the same functions.
This is probably very true. One of the great advantages Canada has over
the US is that all costs are internal. In the US, the system of "bill
and pay" invites all kinds of crooks to take advantage of the paperwork
passing. Insurance companies go through great lengths to investigate
all these claims. This takes a lot of people. Then there is a ton of
paperwork to fill out. You go to the doctor, they bill your insurance
company, the insurance company sends them a check for the partial amount
they are responsible for, and then the facility has to bill the patient
for the remainder. What the patient doesn't pay gets handed to a
collection agency which is a loss to the provider.
In our system of Medicare where it's more internal like the Canadian
system, our administrative costs are around 7%. However, there is also
a lot of theft which costs us tens of billions every single year.
> This research may already be having an impact on policy debate: According
> to Woolhandler, Ohio democratic congressman and presidential candidate
> Dennis Kucinich has plans to circulate the results of this study to
> Congress. Woolhandler herself would like to see this study play a part in
> a slightly different debate—one over whether it it is better to be sick
> and insured in the U.S. or in Canada. "I'd like to see politicians giving
> up on this mythology that the quality of care for sick people in the U.S.
> is unique."
Dennis Kookcinich is a nut and may very well lose his seat through
rezoning after last election. He's the guy that helped put a halt to
the Coast Guard practicing on lake erie. He stated he was afraid of the
birds getting shot and that the lead bullets may pollute the entire
great lakes. I guess Dennis didn't know that people fish with lead
sinkers which get lost in the lake every day during the favorable
fishing months. Living in his district of Cleveland, I can go on and on
about Dennis.
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