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   From: adam@mailinator.com   
      
   On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:27:01 +0200, "Warnock"    
   wrote:   
      
   >   
   >"Adam Marczyk"  wrote in message   
   >news:pkTUb.14329$C9.1824@news02.roc.ny...   
   >   
   >   
   >> >>> ***** God makes you aware of His presence through nature! Its just   
   >that   
   >> >>> atheists have closed their minds to any possibility that there could   
   >> >>> be a God!   
   >> >>   
   >> >> In the first place, you've never met me, so I'll thank you not to make   
   >> >> unsupportable claims about what I do or do not think. In the second   
   >> >> place, if we were to extrapolate the existence of a god by examining   
   >> >> nature (though you have given no reason why we should do so), I don't   
   >> >> think the resulting god would be the Christian one. Nature is full of   
   >> >> death, bloodshed, and what we would call needless cruelty, such as the   
   >> >> infamous ichneumonid wasps Charles Darwin wrote about, which sting   
   >> >> caterpillars to paralyze them and then lay their eggs in the   
   >> >> caterpillar's body, so that when the hungry larvae emerge they   
   >> >> literally devour the still-living caterpillar from the inside out.   
   >> >> (Praise the loving God who created that, huh?) It also contains   
   >> >> numerous instances of designs working at cross purposes, such as   
   >> >> cheetahs whose claws, eyes, teeth, and legs are exquisitely engineered   
   >> >> to hunt down, catch and kill gazelles, and gazelles whose eyesight,   
   >> >> sense of smell, and speed are marvelously engineered for escaping   
   >> >> cheetahs and leaving them to starve. If nature tells us about a god, I   
   >> >> would think it something more like the Manichaean theology where there   
   >> >> are both good and evil deities each working to oppose each other and   
   >> >> foil the other's plans.   
   >> >   
   >> > ****** We need to start by demonstrating that there is a God, my   
   >> > signature offers adequate, logical, proof!   
   >>   
   >> You mean this?   
   >>   
   >> "**** The fact that the greatest scientists, to their utter dismay, can't   
   >> breath life into a dead body or create a perfect animal and breath life   
   >> into   
   >> it - is PROOF of a higher intelligence! ****"   
   >>   
   >> Looks like nothing but a non sequitur to me. And you didn't respond to my   
   >> argument.   
   >   
   >****** There are people around, our scientists did not create said live   
   >people, yet we are here - good logic, a higher intelligence created said   
   >people!!   
      
   No, that is in fact the very poorest of logic. Good logic only says   
   that scientists did not create people. That is the only accurate   
   conclusion that you can draw.   
      
   >   
   >"Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat   
   >you with experience."   
      
      
      
   ---   
   "A man's ethical behavior should be based   
   effectually on sympathy, education, and social   
   ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man   
   would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be   
   restrained by fear of punishment and hope of   
   reward after death."   
        Albert Einstein   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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