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   From: warnnock@pop.co.za   
      
   "Mark Sebree"  wrote in message   
   news:c30d43e8.0402152112.2e983d0a@posting.google.com...   
      
      
   > > > > > You have given no reason, except your personal opinion, why women   
   > > > > > should not have freely available access to abortion if they so   
   choose.   
   > > > > >  You have, however, shown a general disregard for women, their   
   > > > > > opinions, and their lives.  You seem to feel that women should be   
   > > > > > subservient to men.  Such an attitude is deplorable in the   
   extreme.   
   > > > >   
   > > > > ****** I work on equal rights! You want a new TV, we talk. You want   
   a   
   > >  baby,   
   > > > > we talk.   
   > > >   
   > > > Really?  Then why don't you let women have the same rights to   
   > > > self-determination that you have?  You try to demand that they   
   > > > continue their pregnancies against their wills.  I have seen little,   
   > > > if any, evidence that you work for equal rights, unless you think   
   > > > "equal rights" means that everyone is to do as you say.   
   > >   
   > > ****** Equal rights means that within my family, things are discussed.   
   > >   
   >   
   > Fine.  But we are not talking about just your family.  We are talking   
   > about rights belonging to all women.  Equal rights means the same   
   > rights for all people, no matter what race, religion, gender, sexual   
   > orientation, or anything else.  That also means that if your wife   
   > wants an abortion, she has a right to do so without consulting you if   
   > she so chooses.   
      
   ****** Equal rights should mean that if she wants an abortion, we both have   
   an equal say.   
      
   > > > Besides, why should anyone ask you for permission to do anything.  We   
   > > > are not your slaves, despite your delusions.   
   > >   
   > > ****** Slaves were outlawed some years ago!   
   >   
   > And you want to bring it back, it seems.   
   >   
   > > People don't ask 'my   
   > > permission', my contributions will lead to a more moral society!   
   >   
   > "More moral" in whose opinion?  Yours?  Sorry, but a secular society   
   > cannot work on such subjective foundations as "morals".  Any laws must   
   > have a valid, secular purpose, and any laws that do not must be thrown   
   > out as being oppressive to some group of people.  Besides, why should   
   > anyone care what your morals are, or be ruled by them.   
      
   ****** It's not just my morals, it's the morals of society, that are at   
   risk. For the good of society we need to promote only the highest moral   
   standards.   
      
   --   
   **** The fact that the greatest scientists, to their utter dismay, can't   
   breath life into a dead body or create a perfect animal and breath life into   
   it - is PROOF of a higher intelligence! ****   
      
   ** People who deny that there is a God, are not so convinced that no God   
   exists, but are using this denial as a crutch to get out of having to comply   
   with God's Law!**   
      
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