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   "Robert B. Winn"  wrote in message   
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   > "MrD Pstychologist \(retired\)"  wrote in message   
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   > > "Mark Sebree"  wrote in message   
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   > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   > >  news:<7943568.0402171639.325a07c6@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
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   > > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   > >  news:<7943568.0402150533.246ff8c8@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > > > > sebree@infionline.net (Mark Sebree) wrote in message   
   > >  news:...   
   > > > > > > > rbwinn47@mybluelight.com (Robert B. Winn) wrote in message   
   > >  news:<7943568.0402131727.1a9e4b1e@posting.google.com>...   
   > > > > > > > > William Klee  wrote in message   
   > >  news:<130220041336300785%fnord2k@yahoo.com>...   
   > > > > > > > > > In article ,   
   > >  Attila   
   > > > > > > > > >  wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:54:27 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"   
   > > > > > > > > > >  in alt.abortion with message-id   
   > > > > > > > > > >  wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > >And so upon Fri, 13 Feb 2004 04:13:13 -0600 didst   
   > >  William Klee speak   
   > > > > > > > > > > >thusly:   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > >> In article   
   > >  <7943568.0402121806.1ea4e0e5@posting.google.com>, Robert B.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >> Winn  wrote:   
   > > > > > > > > > > >>   
   > > > > > > > > > > >>> Well, I am not sure what he wrote in, but he was   
   > >  aware that there   
   > > > > > > > > > > >>> would be other languages besides the one he used.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >>   
   > > > > > > > > > > >> You also claim that even though he didn't write what   
   > >  you claim he   
   > > > > > > > > > > >> wrote, he *meant* what you claim he wrote because he   
   > >  knew you'd be   
   > > > > > > > > > > >> reading it in English someday. That's funny, in a   
   > >  pathetic sort of way.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > >What's even funnier is Boobert admitting he really   
   > >  doesn't understand   
   > > > > > > > > > > >this thing about the bible being written in other   
   > >  languages.   
   > > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > >I'd bet money he really does *not understand that...   
   > > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > > He probably can't understand other languages.   
   > > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > > I wouldn't claim he can understand English.   
   > > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > > Well, let's concentrate on one English word.  What does the   
   > >  word child mean?   
   > > > > > > > > Robert b. winn   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > A person between birth an puberty.   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Someone who is acting childish (You, for example).   
   > > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > > Mark Sebree   
   > > > > > >   
   > > > > > > So what do you think the word child means in this scripture?   
   > > > > > > Luke 2:5  To be taxed  with Mary his espoused wife, being great   
   > >  with child.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > That Mary was pregnant.  That is what the idiom "with child"   
   > >  means,   
   > > > > > and that is what the latin says.  Your opinion on the matter has   
   > >  no   
   > > > > > bearing on reality.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > By the way, we already know that the KJV is a poor translation.   
   > >  You   
   > > > > > don't have to keep tellinf us this.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > > Jesus Christ seems to have been a child while he was in his   
   > >  mother's womb.   
   > > > > > > Robert B. winn   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Only in your fevered imagination.  In reality, assuming that Jesus   
   > > > > > actually existed, at the time, he was a fetus.  He did not become   
   > >  a   
   > > > > > child until his birth.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Let us know when you will be joining us in the real world.   
   > > > > >   
   > > > > > Mark Sebree   
   > > > >   
   > > > > Good thing we have the Bible to tell us what a child is, right?   
   > >   
   > > Here's one thing the bible says about conception:   
   > > Leviticus 12:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman   
   > > have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean   
   > > seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity   
   > > shall she be unclean.   
   > >   
   > > The bible calls it 'conceived seed'.  It's not a man child til it's   
   > > born.   
   > >   
   > > To be fair, Luke says a babe leapt in the womb (Luke 1:41) and also says   
   > > later  (Luke 2:12) the babe was wrapped in swaddling clothes..  This   
   > > isn't the same term that they use for child though, in the greek of the   
   > > New Testament, there is a difference.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > Who cares what the Bible says?  We live in a secular world.  You could   
   > > > also be saying "Good thing that the Sutras tell us what a child is."   
   > > > Or the Eddas, or any other religious writings.   
   > > >   
   > > > Religious definions have no place in the secular world.  Also, I have   
   > > > not seen state and back up your assertion.  That verse from Luke that   
   > > > you love so much is a sloppy translation that uses an idiom for   
   > > > "pregnant".  You cannot accept that all the verse says is that Mary   
   > > > was pregnant.   
   > >   
   > > I looked up the verse Luke 2:5.   The term used was 'swelling inside'   
   > > from the greek.   
   > > You can check all this out at Strong's Greek Dictionary-Bible Software,   
   > > Just Google.   
   > > I'm finding it very educational.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >  What's more, you cannot accept that you opinion about   
   > > > what the Bible says has no bearing on the issue, since the Bible is a   
   > > > mythology, and we are dealing with facts and the real world, and   
   > > > religious definitions have no place in it because none of the myriad   
   > > > of religious beliefs that people subscribe to are allowed to hold sway   
   > > > over everyone else.   
   > >   
   > > Go, tell it on the mountain!   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > >   
   > > > > Otherwise everyone might be susceptible to joining you in killing   
   > >  children.   
   > > > > Robert B. Winn   
   > > >   
   > > > I have not killed, nor do I advocate killing, children.  Children have   
   > > > been born, and abortion does not kill any children.  Your   
   > > > feeble-minded delusions cannot change the reality of the situation,   
   > > > and everyone is entitled to ignore your baseless opinions.   
   > > >   
   > >   
   > > I concur!   
   > >   
   > > MrD   
   >   
   > A child is killed every time an abortion takes place.  If you want to   
   > pretend that you are feeble minded, go ahead and pretend.   
   > Robert B. Winn   
      
   This appears to be your mantra.   
      
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